Hi all,
I have no idea if this is the best list to send this question to, but you'll point me elsewhere if not right!?
I just watched the F7 promo...the baseball hat with the Fedora logo on looked awesome! Where/how can I get one?! Fedora clothing would be cool, with such an amazing logo :D
I know creative commons etc use Goodstorm for products, although I can't purchase them from the UK :(
Cheers,
Jon
I don't know if I am correct or not, but I have always been under the impression Red Hat don't want us to associate hats with Fedora (in spite of the name)
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
Hi all,
I have no idea if this is the best list to send this question to, but you'll point me elsewhere if not right!?
I just watched the F7 promo...the baseball hat with the Fedora logo on looked awesome! Where/how can I get one?! Fedora clothing would be cool, with such an amazing logo :D
I know creative commons etc use Goodstorm for products, although I can't purchase them from the UK :(
Cheers,
Jon
On 6/4/07, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Benjamin Lewis wrote:
I don't know if I am correct or not, but I have always been under the impression Red Hat don't want us to associate hats with Fedora (in spite of the name)
This is a hat with a logo stamped on it. Not a blue hat or anything.
As an Ambassador, please refer to "Do not wear a big red hat" in our Fedora Ambassador Conduct page[1].
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct
Regards,
Thomas Chung wrote:
On 6/4/07, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Benjamin Lewis wrote:
I don't know if I am correct or not, but I have always been under the impression Red Hat don't want us to associate hats with Fedora (in
spite
of the name)
This is a hat with a logo stamped on it. Not a blue hat or anything.
As an Ambassador, please refer to "Do not wear a big red hat" in our Fedora Ambassador Conduct page[1].
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct
Regards,
Thanks, (excuse the pun) for the heads up, lol.
Am Montag, den 04.06.2007, 13:10 -0700 schrieb Thomas Chung:
As an Ambassador, please refer to "Do not wear a big red hat" in our Fedora Ambassador Conduct page[1].
I think this has to be discussed again. RedHat Employees can not wear theire Fedora's and have a Fedora Shirt on?
How should we do this with Google Basecaps and Fedora Shirts?
On LinuxTag the Ubuntu Guys showed that Canonical is behind them, Suse showed that Novell is behind them. But we are not allowed to show that RedHat is one of the major forces behind Fedora.
Why is that?
We really can be proud about the Money we get from them. We can be proud about the work they do, for us. We can be proud and should thank them for the Webspace and Maintance Work they do, for us.
Why is this such a bad thing for anybody?
Maybe its time to think about this issue again. I am pretty shure no one will become Hard Attacs if he does that.
Regards,
Stefan
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Stefan Held wrote:
Am Montag, den 04.06.2007, 13:10 -0700 schrieb Thomas Chung:
As an Ambassador, please refer to "Do not wear a big red hat" in our Fedora Ambassador Conduct page[1].
I think this has to be discussed again. RedHat Employees can not wear theire Fedora's and have a Fedora Shirt on?
How should we do this with Google Basecaps and Fedora Shirts?
On LinuxTag the Ubuntu Guys showed that Canonical is behind them, Suse showed that Novell is behind them. But we are not allowed to show that RedHat is one of the major forces behind Fedora.
Why is that?
Because Fedora is community driven distro. Ubuntu and suse are NOT community driven
Bogo
We really can be proud about the Money we get from them. We can be proud about the work they do, for us. We can be proud and should thank them for the Webspace and Maintance Work they do, for us.
Why is this such a bad thing for anybody?
Maybe its time to think about this issue again. I am pretty shure no one will become Hard Attacs if he does that.
Regards,
Stefan
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Am Dienstag, den 05.06.2007, 11:41 +0300 schrieb Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov:
Because Fedora is community driven distro. Ubuntu and suse are NOT community driven
LOL.
Please. Stop doing that.
Bogo
http://en.opensuse.org/Project_overview
<snip> The openSUSE project is a community program sponsored by ... <snip />
http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
<snip> This Code of Conduct covers your behaviour as a member of the Ubuntu Community <snip />
Now please, lets get serious and stop such things.
I have seen all the guys on LinuxTag, they are as much a community as we are.
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Stefan Held wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 05.06.2007, 11:41 +0300 schrieb Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov:
Because Fedora is community driven distro. Ubuntu and suse are NOT community driven
LOL.
Action, my friend actions. Suse (not OpenSuse) ans Ubuntu depends a lot of theirs company sponsors, but NOT Fedora. This is community driven, I think. Please ask Ubuntu and/or SUSE developers for that and for all procedures to make anything. Those are NOT community driven distros.
Bogo
Please. Stop doing that.
Bogo
http://en.opensuse.org/Project_overview
<snip> The openSUSE project is a community program sponsored by ... <snip />
http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
<snip> This Code of Conduct covers your behaviour as a member of the Ubuntu Community <snip />
Now please, lets get serious and stop such things.
I have seen all the guys on LinuxTag, they are as much a community as we are.
- -- Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov Fedora Ambassador Sofia, Bulgaria
+359 897 61 51 28 bogomil@fedoraproject.org bogo@spisanie.com
jabber:bogo@jabber.minus273.org profile: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BogomilShopov
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Am Dienstag, den 05.06.2007, 12:02 +0300 schrieb Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov:
Action, my friend actions.
?
Suse (not OpenSuse) ans Ubuntu depends a lot of theirs company sponsors, but NOT Fedora.
Have you ever seen the amount of money RH spends to run Fedora? Would you like to take care of that? T-Shirts, Media, Infrastructure.
What do you think would happen if RH would decide to remove the support for all that stuff? Would the community take care of all costs? So is not every community driven Project in a friendly way dependent on theire sponsors?
Think about FTP Mirrors all over the world.
This is community driven, I think.
No. Community driven means we work and decide together. There is no difference if a contributer works for google, dell, HP, Intel, redhat or any other Company as long as he is delivering content or code to the project i do not care if he weares a base cap with *logo, a red Hat, yellow socks or whatever.
It doesnt even matter for me if he works for SuSe/Novell or Canonical if he respects free Software and contributes to any upstream project, he is part of the big community Open Source.
Please ask Ubuntu and/or SUSE developers for that and for all procedures to make anything. Those are NOT community driven distros.
You mean like Core and Extras before? :)
From your point of view we are a community driven Distribution since F7?
Do you know why? Because the contributers in this "Community" have earned the Respect and showed theire will to make something like Fedora Work. I am pretty sure that will happen elsewhere also and then the company will mark the Community Trustworthy to lead theire Projects.
Nothing else has happend here. So please stop saying the other projects are not community driven because "blabla".
Sometimes it is good to have a strong leadership in a Project to simply get things done.
Bogo
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Stefan Held wrote: Hi ,
Am Dienstag, den 05.06.2007, 12:02 +0300 schrieb Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov:
Action, my friend actions.
?
Suse (not OpenSuse) ans Ubuntu depends a lot of theirs company sponsors, but NOT Fedora.
Have you ever seen the amount of money RH spends to run Fedora? Would you like to take care of that? T-Shirts, Media, Infrastructure.
No, but I think Community can handle that.
What do you think would happen if RH would decide to remove the support for all that stuff? Would the community take care of all costs? So is not every community driven Project in a friendly way dependent on theire sponsors?
Think about FTP Mirrors all over the world.
What about them? Mirrors here are provided by local sponsors, like others in the World.
This is community driven, I think.
No. Community driven means we work and decide together. There is no difference if a contributer works for google, dell, HP, Intel, redhat or any other Company as long as he is delivering content or code to the project i do not care if he weares a base cap with *logo, a red Hat, yellow socks or whatever.
Exacly. Fedora community is open and the way of working is open. Not like the others. Try to contribute for Ubuntu, for example.
It doesnt even matter for me if he works for SuSe/Novell or Canonical if he respects free Software and contributes to any upstream project, he is part of the big community Open Source.
If Caldera pays you to work for it, what you will choose?
Please ask Ubuntu and/or SUSE developers for that and for all procedures to make anything. Those are NOT community driven distros.
You mean like Core and Extras before? :)
From your point of view we are a community driven Distribution since F7?
Do you know why? Because the contributers in this "Community" have earned the Respect and showed theire will to make something like Fedora Work. I am pretty sure that will happen elsewhere also and then the company will mark the Community Trustworthy to lead theire Projects.
Nothing else has happend here. So please stop saying the other projects are not community driven because "blabla".
Sometimes it is good to have a strong leadership in a Project to simply get things done.
Not neccesary. The way for taking decisions makes the project community project.
Bogo
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+359 897 61 51 28 bogomil@fedoraproject.org bogo@spisanie.com
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And 1 more thing, Cannonical is Ubuntu Novel is Suse RedHat is NOT Fedora
Bogo
On Tue, 2007-06-05 at 12:40 +0300, Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov wrote:
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And 1 more thing, Cannonical is Ubuntu Novel is Suse RedHat is NOT Fedora
Bogo
I was wondering if you could back up slogans like that with something substantial. Without Suse, there is still Novell (leaving the stock value aside for a moment). Without Ubuntu, there is still Canonical. Canonical wants to make money by providing services on Linux/FLOSS products, preferably on Ubuntu since they have the know-how there. However, noone could stop them from supporting, say, CentOS, if that's what the world would be running all of a sudden.
Bogo, it's very much appreciated that you are a staunch supporter of Fedora's, but how about seeing things in perspective and/or backing up your claims with something more than soundbites and irrelevant asides?
best regards, Herman
Can this probably endless discussion please stop now or be taken offline?
Thank you,
Kind regards,
Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip
On Tue, 2007-06-05 at 12:02 +0300, Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov wrote:
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Stefan Held wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 05.06.2007, 11:41 +0300 schrieb Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov:
Because Fedora is community driven distro. Ubuntu and suse are NOT community driven
LOL.
Action, my friend actions. Suse (not OpenSuse) ans Ubuntu depends a lot of theirs company sponsors, but NOT Fedora. This is community driven, I think. Please ask Ubuntu and/or SUSE developers for that and for all procedures to make anything. Those are NOT community driven distros.
Bogo
Please show us how you think Fedora is going to thrive as it does without Red Hat paying people that are a big part of Fedora development. Novell and Canonical pay people that develop *open*Suse (!) and Ubuntu, respectively. What's the difference?
There may well be differences in the details, and Red Hat has a different business model than for example Canonical, but let's not be immature. Since Fedora was created by Red Hat in the first place, let's not get into semantic discussions that end up being other-distro-bashing, which is, correct me if I'm wrong, not what people are looking for on this list.
regards, Herman /earth/eu/nl
Am Dienstag, den 05.06.2007, 10:47 +0200 schrieb Nicolas Mailhot:
Le Mar 5 juin 2007 10:32, Stefan Held a écrit :
Red Hat Marketing and Legal wants no risk of confusion between RHEL and Fedora
This is why i said we maybe have to discuss this again.
Trust me, i have recent and respectfull sources who said they think like i do.
On Tue, 2007-06-05 at 10:55 +0200, Stefan Held wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 05.06.2007, 10:47 +0200 schrieb Nicolas Mailhot:
Le Mar 5 juin 2007 10:32, Stefan Held a écrit :
Red Hat Marketing and Legal wants no risk of confusion between RHEL and Fedora
This is why i said we maybe have to discuss this again.
Sorry, why is that a reason to discuss this again?
Trust me, i have recent and respectfull sources who said they think like i do.
I guess I'm a bit confused about the "not wearing a red fedora" rule for Ambassadors. That is something that is hard to make a rule. For example, I attend Bay Area Linux events as an Ambassador and as a Red Hat associate. If I wear my red fedora at the Fedora booth at LWCE, I dare anyone to tell me I cannot wear it. But I probably _won't_ wear it, because it confuses people. I'm not there as a representative of Red Hat, but as a Fedora community member. For me, this is a VERY BIG DIFFERENCE, and I think the same is true for all people who work for Red Hat and are a part of Fedora.[1]
The core of all this is the way trademark laws work. Red Hat has the "Shadowman" logo trademarked, which is a human face in the shadow of a fedora he is wearing. It is obvious that, if Fedora were to use a hat in any form as part of its logo, it would confuse people as to what was Red Hat and what Fedora. Ironically, because of trademark laws, Red Hat would likely have to enforcing its trademark against Fedora. *ick* This is because, to keep a trademark current, one has to defend it against _all_ abuses, intentional or not.
Now, an Ambassador wearing a red fedora at a Fedora booth doesn't seem much like "trademark infringement." But it could be confusing to people. So, maybe instead of it being a confusing rule, it could be a guideline -- "Ambassadors, please don't wear a red fedora or Red Hat gear at Fedora events, it confuses people." Is that good enough?
- Karsten
[1] To expand on that a bit ... Red Hat (RHT) is a public company with very strict rules (in the US in particular) about what can and cannot be discussed publicly. Fedora is the opposite of that -- there is almost nothing that cannot or should not be discussed in public.
So, if I were at a Fedora booth, wearing all Red Hat gear, and talking about what is coming on the Fedora technology roadmap, I'm sure that is going to create confusion for someone. What if a financial analyst comes by, decides I'm giving insider information, and acts upon it? A series of coincidences could lead to me being arrested for violating insider trading laws, as well as out on the street without a job.
IANAL, but as a layperson who has been trained on what I can and cannot do under US Federal laws, I have a pretty clear idea of what is risky behavior. So, I wear 100% Fedora gear at Fedora booths, and when people ask if I work for Red Hat, I say, "Yes, but that has nothing to do with why I'm here," etc. In fact, until _very_recently_, my Red Hat job was unrelated to my volunteer Fedora work. But because of my position in the company and the project, it would be easy to get confused about when I was speaking for one or the other group. Wearing one set of "colors" helps take care of that.
Karsten Wade wrote:
On Tue, 2007-06-05 at 10:55 +0200, Stefan Held wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 05.06.2007, 10:47 +0200 schrieb Nicolas Mailhot:
Le Mar 5 juin 2007 10:32, Stefan Held a écrit : Red Hat Marketing and Legal wants no risk of confusion between RHEL and Fedora
This is why i said we maybe have to discuss this again.
Sorry, why is that a reason to discuss this again?
Trust me, i have recent and respectfull sources who said they think like i do.
I guess I'm a bit confused about the "not wearing a red fedora" rule for Ambassadors.
As for as I know, it's not only red hats but hats in general.
"... that we not connect hats, red in color or otherwise ..."[1]
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct
Marek Mahut wrote:
Karsten Wade wrote:
On Tue, 2007-06-05 at 10:55 +0200, Stefan Held wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 05.06.2007, 10:47 +0200 schrieb Nicolas Mailhot:
Le Mar 5 juin 2007 10:32, Stefan Held a écrit : Red Hat Marketing and Legal wants no risk of confusion between RHEL and Fedora
This is why i said we maybe have to discuss this again.
Sorry, why is that a reason to discuss this again?
Trust me, i have recent and respectfull sources who said they think like i do.
I guess I'm a bit confused about the "not wearing a red fedora" rule for Ambassadors.
As for as I know, it's not only red hats but hats in general.
"... that we not connect hats, red in color or otherwise ..."[1]
This may actually pose a problem for me as I regularly (especially in the rain) wear a black fedora, and a few people have asked me if the fact I support Fedora is because of, or related to, this.
Not that I intentionally connect the two, but average folk still seem to make that link...
On Sat, 2007-06-09 at 23:17 +0100, Benjamin Lewis wrote:
Marek Mahut wrote:
Karsten Wade wrote:
On Tue, 2007-06-05 at 10:55 +0200, Stefan Held wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 05.06.2007, 10:47 +0200 schrieb Nicolas Mailhot:
Le Mar 5 juin 2007 10:32, Stefan Held a écrit : Red Hat Marketing and Legal wants no risk of confusion between RHEL and Fedora
This is why i said we maybe have to discuss this again.
Sorry, why is that a reason to discuss this again?
Trust me, i have recent and respectfull sources who said they think like i do.
I guess I'm a bit confused about the "not wearing a red fedora" rule for Ambassadors.
As for as I know, it's not only red hats but hats in general.
"... that we not connect hats, red in color or otherwise ..."[1]
This may actually pose a problem for me as I regularly (especially in the rain) wear a black fedora, and a few people have asked me if the fact I support Fedora is because of, or related to, this.
Not that I intentionally connect the two, but average folk still seem to make that link...
If one is linked to Fedora in any way, to be kindly asked to refrain from using symbols such as red hats sounds reasonable to me. I have a hard time believing though, that one just has to buy that *any* hat should be avoided. I mean, that's just something that some people wear. Starting to feel relieved that the much appreciated Linux firm isn't called Green Shirt, or Black Sandal? ;)
herman
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Karsten Wade escribió:
I guess I'm a bit confused about the "not wearing a red fedora" rule for Ambassadors. That is something that is hard to make a rule. For example, I attend Bay Area Linux events as an Ambassador and as a Red Hat associate. If I wear my red fedora at the Fedora booth at LWCE, I dare anyone to tell me I cannot wear it. But I probably _won't_ wear it, because it confuses people. I'm not there as a representative of Red Hat, but as a Fedora community member. For me, this is a VERY BIG DIFFERENCE, and I think the same is true for all people who work for Red Hat and are a part of Fedora.[1]
The core of all this is the way trademark laws work. Red Hat has the "Shadowman" logo trademarked, which is a human face in the shadow of a fedora he is wearing. It is obvious that, if Fedora were to use a hat in any form as part of its logo, it would confuse people as to what was Red Hat and what Fedora. Ironically, because of trademark laws, Red Hat would likely have to enforcing its trademark against Fedora. *ick* This is because, to keep a trademark current, one has to defend it against _all_ abuses, intentional or not.
Now, an Ambassador wearing a red fedora at a Fedora booth doesn't seem much like "trademark infringement." But it could be confusing to people. So, maybe instead of it being a confusing rule, it could be a guideline -- "Ambassadors, please don't wear a red fedora or Red Hat gear at Fedora events, it confuses people." Is that good enough?
- Karsten
[1] To expand on that a bit ... Red Hat (RHT) is a public company with very strict rules (in the US in particular) about what can and cannot be discussed publicly. Fedora is the opposite of that -- there is almost nothing that cannot or should not be discussed in public.
So, if I were at a Fedora booth, wearing all Red Hat gear, and talking about what is coming on the Fedora technology roadmap, I'm sure that is going to create confusion for someone. What if a financial analyst comes by, decides I'm giving insider information, and acts upon it? A series of coincidences could lead to me being arrested for violating insider trading laws, as well as out on the street without a job.
IANAL, but as a layperson who has been trained on what I can and cannot do under US Federal laws, I have a pretty clear idea of what is risky behavior. So, I wear 100% Fedora gear at Fedora booths, and when people ask if I work for Red Hat, I say, "Yes, but that has nothing to do with why I'm here," etc. In fact, until _very_recently_, my Red Hat job was unrelated to my volunteer Fedora work. But because of my position in the company and the project, it would be easy to get confused about when I was speaking for one or the other group. Wearing one set of "colors" helps take care of that.
If anything about Fedora I do not agree with (keep in mind I'm a die-hard-supporter and fan of the distribution) is precisely the name. Not because of anything else, but because Red Hat *deliberately* depleted the word of meaning... So others wouldn't be "confused", but that actually turned out to be even more confusing. At first (not being an English speaker myself) I was a bit confused when these issues were first discussed, as I simply ignored what "Fedora" meant, then I realized that it is not only a kind of hat, but *the* kind of hat Red Hat uses in its logo... At first it made sense, but then it stopped when for all intents and purposes the word simply stopped meaning that within the Fedora and Red Hat context. I know it is intended as a pun and whether we like it or not (for English speakers at least) the word "fedora" still means a kind of hat, and hence will associate it with Red Hat (it doesn't take a rocket scientists to put it together Linux + fedora (a hat) = similar to Red Hat Linux), and even new users have heard of Red Hat at some point, more so being it the highest profile commercial Linux distributor.
By the time I was aware of this situation (FC2) I was confused why did Red Hat let it go, I mean, they want to prevent brand confusion and association, yet, the name for their (at the time) community project, was the name of a kind of hat (which made sense back then), but then when the association bond was meant to be broken, I still say that necessarily a change of name should have been needed, to fully prevent any case of "mistaken identity". I know these all situations presented as the project matured, but in the fist place this was (IMO) what caused the project to "seek a new identity" through the means of the "logo", and sublimation of what did we (as the community) wanted Fedora to be, and based on that create its "corporative image" (AKA logo), but despite the name (which by this point it was merely a "word" without meaning), it cannot be associated to Red Hat in any way (effectively depleting of any meaning the word). I may be too pedantic about a simple freaking "word"... Just imagine what would it happened if Microsoft suddenly simply said that the word "word" has to be depleted of any meaning as it happens to be the name of one of its flagship products? Ok, that was a bit of an exaggeration, but by no means too far stretched out... I'm not *complaining* as such, and I *love* and support and live by Fedora any time, any place... This situation simply kinda bothered me, and it was until very recently that I became aware and could actually *express* what I thought about the whole deal, so that's why I kept my mouth shut when it was the time to "discuss it"... I just felt like taking the opportunity to vent out (if anyone cares at all). I don't mean to bash in any way this wonderful distribution... In the end, the name is just a "word", right?
peace.
On Sat, 2007-06-09 at 20:53 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:
If anything about Fedora I do not agree with (keep in mind I'm a die-hard-supporter and fan of the distribution) is precisely the name. Not because of anything else, but because Red Hat *deliberately* depleted the word of meaning... So others wouldn't be "confused", but that actually turned out to be even more confusing.
I admit this whole thing has confused me, as well. I think it was less a situation of "choice" and more one of "organic growth." We had moved ahead with the merger of RHL and Fedora.us into a single project, picked a name, and put a distribution out with that name, before anyone noticed we had created the "hat" problem.
Remember Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
- Karsten
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Karsten Wade escribió:
On Sat, 2007-06-09 at 20:53 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:
If anything about Fedora I do not agree with (keep in mind I'm a die-hard-supporter and fan of the distribution) is precisely the name. Not because of anything else, but because Red Hat *deliberately* depleted the word of meaning... So others wouldn't be "confused", but that actually turned out to be even more confusing.
I admit this whole thing has confused me, as well. I think it was less a situation of "choice" and more one of "organic growth." We had moved ahead with the merger of RHL and Fedora.us into a single project, picked a name, and put a distribution out with that name, before anyone noticed we had created the "hat" problem.
I know it wasn't "intentional" at first, as that what it was all about (Red Hat using another "hat" as its community branch, or so it seemed back then), however when the whole issue about the growth of Fedora and the direction the distribution was heading (by the time FC 4 was about to be released), with the change of "identity" and the "prohibition" to associate Fedora (inherently a hat) with Red Hat (pretty much back then still the "parent" company) started this whole mess. The matter complicated even more as the distribution had gained great exposure, acceptance and recognition... This was a problem, as changing the name at this point, would have most likely generated reactions similar to those back when the project was first announced, and the cancellation of the old-style RHL distribution was in progress in favor of RHEL.
However now that Red Hat has somewhat admitted that Fedora has become its "upstream", I don't see the harm in the "hat" association, but that's the field of the marketing guys and a bunch of stuff I simply don't get.
Remember Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
Indeed... Maybe the project should have been named differently from the start... But the name stuck and grew.
- Karsten
On 6/4/07, Jonathan Roberts jonathan.roberts.uk@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I have no idea if this is the best list to send this question to, but you'll point me elsewhere if not right!?
I just watched the F7 promo...the baseball hat with the Fedora logo on looked awesome! Where/how can I get one?! Fedora clothing would be cool, with such an amazing logo :D
I know creative commons etc use Goodstorm for products, although I can't purchase them from the UK :(
Cheers,
Jon
Hi Jon, You mean "Fedora Cap" ? http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=37 Regards,
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
Hi all,
I have no idea if this is the best list to send this question to, but you'll point me elsewhere if not right!?
I just watched the F7 promo...the baseball hat with the Fedora logo on looked awesome! Where/how can I get one?! Fedora clothing would be cool, with such an amazing logo :D
I know creative commons etc use Goodstorm for products, although I can't purchase them from the UK :(
http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=37&...
Rahul
Thanks Thomas and Rahul!
Shucks though...$50 when shipped to the UK - a little bit too much for me to spend on a hat :(
I'll kick back and dream!
Jon
On 04/06/07, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
Hi all,
I have no idea if this is the best list to send this question to, but you'll point me elsewhere if not right!?
I just watched the F7 promo...the baseball hat with the Fedora logo on looked awesome! Where/how can I get one?! Fedora clothing would be cool, with such an amazing logo :D
I know creative commons etc use Goodstorm for products, although I can't purchase them from the UK :(
http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=37&...
Rahul
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O/H Rahul Sundaram έγραψε:
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
Thanks Thomas and Rahul!
Shucks though...$50 when shipped to the UK - a little bit too much for me to spend on a hat :(
I'll kick back and dream!
Yep. Shipping costs are bit insane. We have been looking for alternatives.
Do we have an update on that?
If not, maybe it's something the European team could (would want to) tackle?
-d
Dimitris Glezos wrote:
O/H Rahul Sundaram έγραψε:
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
Thanks Thomas and Rahul!
Shucks though...$50 when shipped to the UK - a little bit too much for me to spend on a hat :(
I'll kick back and dream!
Yep. Shipping costs are bit insane. We have been looking for alternatives.
Do we have an update on that?
If not, maybe it's something the European team could (would want to) tackle?
I will post more details later if I do something more to say on these.
Rahul
On 6/4/07, Dimitris Glezos dimitris@glezos.com wrote:
Do we have an update on that?
If not, maybe it's something the European team could (would want to) tackle?
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Hi Dimitris, We do have an *unofficial* site where Fedora Ambassadors can order T-shrits and Caps for Fedora Events. I need to check with Max to clear up some issues before I can go public. Regards,
Hey all,
Thomas Chung wrote:
On 6/4/07, Dimitris Glezos dimitris@glezos.com wrote:
Do we have an update on that?
If not, maybe it's something the European team could (would want to) tackle?
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Hi Dimitris, We do have an *unofficial* site where Fedora Ambassadors can order T-shrits and Caps for Fedora Events. I need to check with Max to clear up some issues before I can go public. Regards,
Indeed, it's a gear pack includes 10 Fedora pens, 10 Fedora decals, 10 Fedora caps, & 10 Fedora T-shirts (5 Large, 5 XL) for $75.00.
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Rahul Sundaram escribió:
Yep. Shipping costs are bit insane. We have been looking for alternatives.
Rahul
I wonder how much would it be for shipping down to Mexico... I'll prolly investigate later, I'd be most interested in the "batch" gear pack to distribute them down here... By the way, and since this is the marketing list, what would be the terms and conditions to distribute these locally at a certain cost? Say like at a local "Linux shop"?
On 6/4/07, Gian Paolo Mureddu gmureddu@prodigy.net.mx wrote:
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Rahul Sundaram escribió:
Yep. Shipping costs are bit insane. We have been looking for alternatives.
Rahul
I wonder how much would it be for shipping down to Mexico... I'll prolly investigate later, I'd be most interested in the "batch" gear pack to distribute them down here... By the way, and since this is the marketing list, what would be the terms and conditions to distribute these locally at a certain cost? Say like at a local "Linux shop"? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
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As an Ambassador for Fedora here in Mexico, I'd definitely be interested in buying 'batches' of stuff to redistribute. I checked at Red Hat, and their shipping costs avg around 59 dlls, so its out of my budget.
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Juan Rodriguez escribió:
As an Ambassador for Fedora here in Mexico, I'd definitely be interested in buying 'batches' of stuff to redistribute. I checked at Red Hat, and their shipping costs avg around 59 dlls, so its out of my budget.
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Ouch, out of mine (for the time being, anyway) too...
have you guys ever considered something like transferes?
This company sells the same type of product that places like Cafe Press use. http://www.dharmatrading.com/transfers/
They even have the blank shirts and such at http://www.dharmatrading.com/clothing/
Hi,
you could ask Gerold Kassube, he has a bunch of unsold Fedora caps from Linuxtag. Inner-european shipping is much cheaper.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GeroldKassube
cu romal
Jonathan Roberts schrieb:
Hi all,
I have no idea if this is the best list to send this question to, but you'll point me elsewhere if not right!?
I just watched the F7 promo...the baseball hat with the Fedora logo on looked awesome! Where/how can I get one?! Fedora clothing would be cool, with such an amazing logo :D
I know creative commons etc use Goodstorm for products, although I can't purchase them from the UK :(
Cheers,
Jon
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