Hello Adam,
I personally like Discourse, and think it is a good move to make the
discussion side of the magazine open up more. I was pointing out that
the move didn't solve the issue of, well using issues on Pagure to
track concept ideas or pitches. Perhaps a VCS approach is not meant for
magazine article workflow, but meh.
So I am +1 for the #2 option with the proposal and discussion happening
in one location (Discourse) and a tool (Taiga) for tracking progress
through the pitch/write/publish cycle. This seems the most appropriate
approach.
I was also personally very reluctant to propose (another) bit of Fedora
move from Pagure use.
Regards,
Stephen
On Mon, 2020-06-01 at 10:45 +0200, Adam Samalik wrote:
So I've read all the comments and I feel there are a few people
for
the
move and no one clearly against. But we have some concerns or
undecided, too.
Some of the pros are that a forum is more accessible and feels more
inclusive and open to newcomers. There were also comments about
mailing
lists being seen as confusing or even archaic.
Some of you just like the idea of consolidation of our channels and
are for
the change for this reason.
Also, we had some confusion about new creating accounts or proposing
other
self-hosting alternatives. I'm only proposing Discourse because
Fedora
already has one, and it works with the Fedora account system:
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/ So there are no new accounts
involved, and we won't be deploying yet another service, just using
what's
already available.
And then there was one concern about this proposal not solving the
problem
with having Pagure separated. And while I kind of agree it's not
solving
the disconnect directly, I believe that moving all the discussions
into one
place helps people see the proposals and engage with them more. And
yes,
we'll still need to make a card for each article, but it will be
easier to
just see it and do it. Or we can ask the person proposing the idea to
create the card and link back to the discussion. I think that just
the fact
of it being more visible helps. And the reason I propose moving to
Discourse (rather than using the mailing list for this) is the
accessibility and the ability to easily link to the discussion.
I realize it's not a perfect solution, but I think it's the best
reasonable
option we have. We're basically choosing between the following three
solutions:
1/ Keep what we have now. Proposals in Pagure, general discussion on
the
list, tracking in Taiga.
2/ Proposals AND general discussion in Discourse, tracking in Taiga.
3/ The same as 2, but using a mailing list. So proposals and
discussion on
the list, and tracking in Taiga.
Options 2 and 3 have all the discussions in one place — being it
proposals
or anything else. But what I propose, option 2, is to have a place
that's
more accessible, more open to newcomers or casual contributors, and
easy to
link to.
And even if we somehow automated the process of creating Taiga cards
from
Pagure, or moved the proposals directly to Taiga, we'd still had
discussion
on two different places, keeping the engagement on the proposals
quite low
as we have it now.
So, to move forward, are there people strongly against? Especially
those of
you who are concerned. Or are we willing to give this a shot?
On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:25 AM Clement Verna <
cverna(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
>
> On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 16:15, Adam Samalik <asamalik(a)redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
> > What if we moved to Discourse [1]?
> >
> > We touched this during today's meeting [2] towards the end.
> >
> > Right now we have various things in three different places:
> > 1/ This mailing list for general discussion
> > 2/ Pagure repository [3] for article proposals and discussion
> > around those
> > 3/ Taiga board [4] to track the editorial workflow
> >
> > Discourse would replace this mailing list and the Pagure
> > repository, so
> > we'd have one place to discuss anything. And unlike a mailing
> > list, we
> > could link to individual threads easily, new members could join
> > us and see
> > all the previous discussions, etc.
> >
> > I especially like this for article proposals. More people would
> > be able to
> > see them and comment on them, and after a proposal gets approved
> > we could
> > easily link the thread from the Taiga card.
> >
> > Back in 2017-1018, the Forman community did a similar move [5]
> > [6] and
> > their engagement doubled. But it's a different community and a
> > few years
> > back, so it doesn't promise anything to us. But I still find it
> > interesting.
> >
> > What do people think?
> >
>
> I am generally +1 to move to discourse but I also don't participate
> that
> much in this mailing list :-)
>
>
> > Cheers,
> > Adam
> >
> > [1]
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/
> > [2]
> >
> >
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2020-05-27/magazine.2020...
> > [3]
https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine-proposals/issues
> > [4]
> >
https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
> > [5]
> >
https://theforeman.org/2017/12/foreman-migrates-to-discourse.html
> > [6]
> >
https://theforeman.org/2018/07/discourse-6-months-on-impact-assesment.html
> >
> > --
> >
> > Adam Šamalík
> > ---------------------------
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> > Red Hat
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