Hi, folks.
So the current F7 LiveCD gives us the gdm greeter, which lets you choose a language and options and such. So that's nice. Unfortunately it's not at all clear how you actually log in.
There's four options on the screen - Language, Options, Shut Down, and Username. The user is not informed of what username to use.
*I* know that I can just click "Fedora live CD" in the face browser to log in, but it's not at all obvious.
Could we do something to make this clearer? Changing the full name for the user to "Fedora LiveCD - Click to start" would be a really easy fix.
Thanks, -w
On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 14:00 -0400, Will Woods wrote:
Hi, folks.
So the current F7 LiveCD gives us the gdm greeter, which lets you choose a language and options and such. So that's nice. Unfortunately it's not at all clear how you actually log in.
There's four options on the screen - Language, Options, Shut Down, and Username. The user is not informed of what username to use.
*I* know that I can just click "Fedora live CD" in the face browser to log in, but it's not at all obvious.
I think it's pretty obvious.. but maybe you are right. I don't know. Perhaps the better fix is to change "Please enter your username" to "Click a face to start" in gdm; that would also work in the non-livecd case....
Also, fwiw, the face browser is hidden in 800x600 because a lot of geeks^Wpeople wanted to test this in qemu/vmware/kvm. Maybe a lot of our users do this too. I don't know. Anyway, realistically a lot of the reviewers are going to test our live cd this way so I think Ray's fix needs to be revisited. Ray?
Could we do something to make this clearer? Changing the full name for the user to "Fedora LiveCD - Click to start" would be a really easy fix.
Not an option; the name is used in other places too including the fast user switch applet and many other places.
David
ps. : This is probably more F8 material, but it would be nice to have a live jumbo DVD that includes all of the GNOME, KDE, XFCE whatever live CD's. Then each "flavor" would have their own user with their own face in the face browser, e.g.
[GNOME Logo] - Fedora GNOME [KDE Logo] - Fedora KDE [XFCE Logo] - Fedora XFCE [E17 Logo] - Fedora E17 ...
and users can even fast user switch between the desktops. Of course, I don't know how well KDE, XFCE and E17 supports f-u-s. Something to keep in mind anyway.
Hi,
I think it's pretty obvious.. but maybe you are right. I don't know. Perhaps the better fix is to change "Please enter your username" to "Click a face to start" in gdm; that would also work in the non-livecd case....
Also, fwiw, the face browser is hidden in 800x600 because a lot of geeks^Wpeople wanted to test this in qemu/vmware/kvm. Maybe a lot of
our
users do this too. I don't know. Anyway, realistically a lot of the reviewers are going to test our live cd this way so I think Ray's fix needs to be revisited. Ray?
well, maybe we need a livecd specific theme? I guess that's the easiest way to fix this problem.
For the livecd case, it might even be nice to just take whatever username the user enters and create the user, give them sudo access, etc.
We'd probably need some pam_newuser module or something to do that.
ps. : This is probably more F8 material, but it would be nice to have
a
live jumbo DVD that includes all of the GNOME, KDE, XFCE whatever live CD's. Then each "flavor" would have their own user with their own face in the face browser, e.g.
[GNOME Logo] - Fedora GNOME [KDE Logo] - Fedora KDE [XFCE Logo] - Fedora XFCE [E17 Logo] - Fedora E17 ...
and users can even fast user switch between the desktops. Of course, I don't know how well KDE, XFCE and E17 supports f-u-s. Something to
keep
in mind anyway.
If we do that then we'll need to hide Sessions completely because Sessions would provide overlapping and conflicting functionality.
--Ray
On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 15:02 -0400, Ray Strode wrote:
Also, fwiw, the face browser is hidden in 800x600 because a lot of geeks^Wpeople wanted to test this in qemu/vmware/kvm. Maybe a lot of
our
users do this too. I don't know. Anyway, realistically a lot of the reviewers are going to test our live cd this way so I think Ray's fix needs to be revisited. Ray?
well, maybe we need a livecd specific theme? I guess that's the easiest way to fix this problem.
I disagree; our current theme should be able to cope just nicely with this. If you think about it what Will is complaining about it's just as true in the non-livecd use case. The only difference probably being that livecd users never seen a Linux system before - and that I don't even buy. We should solve this for both.
For the livecd case, it might even be nice to just take whatever username the user enters and create the user, give them sudo access, etc.
I think that's a bit over the top... FWIW, since the root password is blank consolehelper just works without asking for the root password.
If we do that then we'll need to hide Sessions completely because Sessions would provide overlapping and conflicting functionality.
It's already hidden well enough I think.
David
--- David Zeuthen davidz@redhat.com wrote:
ps. : This is probably more F8 material, but it would be nice to have a live jumbo DVD that includes all of the GNOME, KDE, XFCE whatever live CD's. Then each "flavor" would have their own user with their own face in the face browser, e.g.
[GNOME Logo] - Fedora GNOME [KDE Logo] - Fedora KDE [XFCE Logo] - Fedora XFCE [E17 Logo] - Fedora E17 ...
and users can even fast user switch between the desktops. Of course, I don't know how well KDE, XFCE and E17 supports f-u-s. Something to keep in mind anyway.
What I would do is gdm autologin all of those users, hiding the main screen with a "loading..." splash screen until disk io aquiesses (so the users first exposure to the system isn't during the worst possible time with respect to UI interactivity responsiveness)
This would add signifigantly to boot time, however with either the kernel swap bootfile cache thing that has been talked about, or the multilayer unionfs idea I have yet to benchmark, I think the full multi-autologin could complete fast enough not to be annoying.
Anyway, just a thought. A similar usage I had been planning on for my own personal use, was to automatically create a guest user that is autologged in simultaneously as above, which I could then allow some friend to use, whom I might not trust having access to my hardly idiot/malicious-proof desktop.
-dmc/jdog
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