At the Design-Team we figured it would be handy to provide (perhaps in a gallery) wallpapers from the old releases, so the users who liked them can have a handy access at the images. It is also useful to have when documenting our history.
However, we have a licensing issue with the images created before the team establishment, from Fedora Core 1 to Fedora 7, when they were created behing the closed doors, at the Red Hat Desktop Team.
My understanding is, being created Red Hat employees as part of their normal job and included into Fedora, those should have some Free license.
However, for compatibility with the artwork produced currently and for easy access by everybody, it would be useful to have access to those images under a CreativeCommons license (Attribution or Attribution - Share Alike).
From seeing the recent license chance of the wiki, I expect the license change for old wallpapers to be also doable but legal advice is needed.
On 07/24/2009 11:28 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
At the Design-Team we figured it would be handy to provide (perhaps in a gallery) wallpapers from the old releases, so the users who liked them can have a handy access at the images. It is also useful to have when documenting our history.
However, we have a licensing issue with the images created before the team establishment, from Fedora Core 1 to Fedora 7, when they were created behing the closed doors, at the Red Hat Desktop Team.
Nicu,
In order to handle this properly, I'm going to need a list of the specific files. Can you generate that list for me? Bonus if you can actually get the files in one directory somewhere. :)
~spot
On 07/24/2009 09:22 PM, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
On 07/24/2009 11:28 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
At the Design-Team we figured it would be handy to provide (perhaps in a gallery) wallpapers from the old releases, so the users who liked them can have a handy access at the images. It is also useful to have when documenting our history.
However, we have a licensing issue with the images created before the team establishment, from Fedora Core 1 to Fedora 7, when they were created behing the closed doors, at the Red Hat Desktop Team.
Nicu,
In order to handle this properly, I'm going to need a list of the specific files. Can you generate that list for me? Bonus if you can actually get the files in one directory somewhere. :)
From FC1 to FC5 the wallpapers used to be part of the desktop-backgrounds-basic package (marked as LGPL licensed) with the /usr/share/backgrounds/images/default.png filename.
For FC6 and F7 they were moved in fedora-logos (marked as Copyright Red Hat) with the /usr/share/backgrounds/images/default.png filename.
Here is a collection of the files (thanks to Martin, who had it already prepared): http://mso.fedorapeople.org/wallpapers/.old-wallpapers/
On 07/24/2009 11:28 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
At the Design-Team we figured it would be handy to provide (perhaps in a gallery) wallpapers from the old releases, so the users who liked them can have a handy access at the images. It is also useful to have when documenting our history.
However, we have a licensing issue with the images created before the team establishment, from Fedora Core 1 to Fedora 7, when they were created behing the closed doors, at the Red Hat Desktop Team.
My understanding is, being created Red Hat employees as part of their normal job and included into Fedora, those should have some Free license.
So, I should have caught this initially, but Red Hat Legal noticed that all of these images contain the Fedora logo. Accordingly, we can't permit these images to be released under a license which permits modification.
So, this means there are two options remaining:
1. We can package up these backgrounds with a license identical to that of the fedora-logos package (basically, right to use, copy, and redistribute, but not modify, with some extra conditions around the Fedora marks).
2. We could take the images and remove the Fedora trademarks from them and release them under a Creative Commons license.
Or, we could do both.
Let me know what you think,
~spot
On 07/31/2009 03:03 PM, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
On 07/24/2009 11:28 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
At the Design-Team we figured it would be handy to provide (perhaps in a gallery) wallpapers from the old releases, so the users who liked them can have a handy access at the images. It is also useful to have when documenting our history.
However, we have a licensing issue with the images created before the team establishment, from Fedora Core 1 to Fedora 7, when they were created behing the closed doors, at the Red Hat Desktop Team.
My understanding is, being created Red Hat employees as part of their normal job and included into Fedora, those should have some Free license.
So, I should have caught this initially, but Red Hat Legal noticed that all of these images contain the Fedora logo. Accordingly, we can't permit these images to be released under a license which permits modification.
So, this means there are two options remaining:
- We can package up these backgrounds with a license identical to that
of the fedora-logos package (basically, right to use, copy, and redistribute, but not modify, with some extra conditions around the Fedora marks).
Clarification point: These can be a fedora-logos-backgrounds subpackage, not a new package. (As the fedora-logos maintainer, I have permission to do this.)
~spot
On 07/31/2009 10:03 PM, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
On 07/24/2009 11:28 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
At the Design-Team we figured it would be handy to provide (perhaps in a gallery) wallpapers from the old releases, so the users who liked them can have a handy access at the images. It is also useful to have when documenting our history.
So, this means there are two options remaining:
- We can package up these backgrounds with a license identical to that
of the fedora-logos package (basically, right to use, copy, and redistribute, but not modify, with some extra conditions around the Fedora marks).
I don't like this option, as it would require us to split in "before" and "after" F7, make difficult in sharing the images on web and so on. I like it clear and simple.
- We could take the images and remove the Fedora trademarks from them
and release them under a Creative Commons license.
Or, we could do both.
From my point of view this is a better option but definitely harder, we don't have *source* packages for the artwork. Máirín inherited a drive and will search trough it, there is hope she will find some.
However, even if we find the sources from all, the FC6 background[1] without all "8"s and "f"s may remain to bare, it is a particular case, the most reliant on the logo (but from informal stats, an all-time favorite)
[1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/wallpapers/.old-wallpapers/%5BFC6%5Ddefault-5_4....
On 08/10/2009 09:39 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 07/31/2009 10:03 PM, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
On 07/24/2009 11:28 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
At the Design-Team we figured it would be handy to provide (perhaps in a gallery) wallpapers from the old releases, so the users who liked them can have a handy access at the images. It is also useful to have when documenting our history.
So, this means there are two options remaining:
- We can package up these backgrounds with a license identical to that
of the fedora-logos package (basically, right to use, copy, and redistribute, but not modify, with some extra conditions around the Fedora marks).
I don't like this option, as it would require us to split in "before" and "after" F7, make difficult in sharing the images on web and so on. I like it clear and simple.
- We could take the images and remove the Fedora trademarks from them
and release them under a Creative Commons license.
Or, we could do both.
From my point of view this is a better option but definitely harder, we don't have *source* packages for the artwork. Máirín inherited a drive and will search trough it, there is hope she will find some.
However, even if we find the sources from all, the FC6 background[1] without all "8"s and "f"s may remain to bare, it is a particular case, the most reliant on the logo (but from informal stats, an all-time favorite)
Again, I think we can do both here, so people who want something to modify have an option and those who simply want to keep using one of those old images as a background can do so.
~spot