Dear Legal,
I'd like to sponsor a new packager (CC'd) and help him get his project [0] into Fedora. He happens to be a Sudanese. As Sudan appears to be a sanctioned country, I'd like to check whether this is legally alright.
Thank you in advance, Petr
On 13/01/14 10:15, Petr Šabata wrote:
Dear Legal,
I'd like to sponsor a new packager (CC'd) and help him get his project [0] into Fedora. He happens to be a Sudanese. As Sudan appears to be a sanctioned country, I'd like to check whether this is legally alright.
Thank you in advance, Petr
[0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1052040
legal mailing list legal@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/legal
Question A. Which Sudan ? There are two now. Question B. Is he just Sudanese, as you put it, or does he reside there. If he resides there, then Sudan falls under export restrictions. Applies to US Citizens. This also encompasses technology, and as such software.
Now, there is also a clause stating the importation of goods and services of Sudanese origin. Which now begs the question is a free thing a good or a service, as there is no payment for such.
Richard will have to answer that one, I am afraid.
Why does the US have to always make things so complicated, we just banned weapons exports.
Regards,
Tristan
On 13/01/14 12:06, Tristan Santore wrote:
On 13/01/14 10:15, Petr Šabata wrote:
Dear Legal,
I'd like to sponsor a new packager (CC'd) and help him get his project [0] into Fedora. He happens to be a Sudanese. As Sudan appears to be a sanctioned country, I'd like to check whether this is legally alright.
Thank you in advance, Petr
[0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1052040
legal mailing list legal@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/legal
Question A. Which Sudan ? There are two now. Question B. Is he just Sudanese, as you put it, or does he reside there. If he resides there, then Sudan falls under export restrictions. Applies to US Citizens. This also encompasses technology, and as such software.
Now, there is also a clause stating the importation of goods and services of Sudanese origin. Which now begs the question is a free thing a good or a service, as there is no payment for such.
Richard will have to answer that one, I am afraid.
Why does the US have to always make things so complicated, we just banned weapons exports.
Regards,
Tristan
Ohh look just as I was clicking the page away, something caught my eye.
Certain types of activities and transactions are exempt from the prohibitions of the SSR and the Executive orders. For example, donations of articles intended to relieve human suffering, such as food, clothing, and medicine are exempt and the importation from Sudan and the exportation to Sudan of information or informational materials, as defined in § 538.306, whether commercial or otherwise, regardless of format or medium of transmission, are exempt from the prohibitions and regulations. For a complete list of all exemptions please see 31 C.F.R. § 538.212.
Now, what you make of that is another question. I would read that as computer software, and I would see technological goods as hardware, but that is just me.
I am sure there is some weird and wonderful US law/case law, which covers this.
So, Richard, which is it ?
Regards,
Tristan
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 12:06:38PM +0000, Tristan Santore wrote:
On 13/01/14 10:15, Petr Šabata wrote:
Dear Legal,
I'd like to sponsor a new packager (CC'd) and help him get his project [0] into Fedora. He happens to be a Sudanese. As Sudan appears to be a sanctioned country, I'd like to check whether this is legally alright.
Thank you in advance, Petr
[0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1052040
legal mailing list legal@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/legal
Question A. Which Sudan ? There are two now. Question B. Is he just Sudanese, as you put it, or does he reside there. If he resides there, then Sudan falls under export restrictions. Applies to US Citizens. This also encompasses technology, and as such software.
A. His CV says just "Sudan", not "South Sudan". I guess the northern (and the more difficult) one.
B. I have no idea about his current residence or where his project was developed (isn't that the important part?). I hope he can clear it up for you.
Petr
(...)
Tristan
Dne 13.1.2014 16:11, Petr Šabata napsal(a):
B. I have no idea about his current residence or where his project was developed (isn't that the important part?). I hope he can clear it up for you.
From my point of view, this software is clearly hosted at sites.google.com and that is definitely not located in any US banned country.
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 04:11:06PM +0100, Petr Šabata wrote:
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 12:06:38PM +0000, Tristan Santore wrote:
On 13/01/14 10:15, Petr Šabata wrote:
Dear Legal,
I'd like to sponsor a new packager (CC'd) and help him get his project [0] into Fedora. He happens to be a Sudanese. As Sudan appears to be a sanctioned country, I'd like to check whether this is legally alright.
Thank you in advance, Petr
[0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1052040
legal mailing list legal@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/legal
Question A. Which Sudan ? There are two now. Question B. Is he just Sudanese, as you put it, or does he reside there. If he resides there, then Sudan falls under export restrictions. Applies to US Citizens. This also encompasses technology, and as such software.
A. His CV says just "Sudan", not "South Sudan". I guess the northern (and the more difficult) one.
B. I have no idea about his current residence or where his project was developed (isn't that the important part?). I hope he can clear it up for you.
An update: "Thanks a great deal, I really appreciate your support. In fact I am residing and working outside of Sudan, from Doha, Qatar, I don't know if this makes any difference?"
Petr
Petr
(...)
Tristan
legal mailing list legal@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/legal
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:15:07AM +0100, Petr Šabata wrote:
Dear Legal,
I'd like to sponsor a new packager (CC'd) and help him get his project [0] into Fedora. He happens to be a Sudanese. As Sudan appears to be a sanctioned country, I'd like to check whether this is legally alright.
Thank you in advance, Petr
Ping. Any news on this?
Thanks, Petr
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On 02/06/2014 05:19 AM, Petr Šabata wrote:
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:15:07AM +0100, Petr Šabata wrote:
Dear Legal,
I'd like to sponsor a new packager (CC'd) and help him get his project [0] into Fedora. He happens to be a Sudanese. As Sudan appears to be a sanctioned country, I'd like to check whether this is legally alright.
Thank you in advance, Petr
Ping. Any news on this?
Not yet. Still looking into this on Red Hat's side. Export law is fun (and by fun, I mean the opposite of fun).
~tom
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