On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 03:01:34PM +0000, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
>>And since the kernel modular change was aimed to achieve the
>>well as the most flexible footprint I have to ask is there something
>>preventing putting every kernel module in it's own sub package (
>>kernel-module-<module> ) to prevent ( potential ) breakage in the future
>>people go smaller and smaller which will eventually lead to what I have
>Time, and packaging pain is what is preventing it.
Contribute time to an community is work in one form or another with
the only prevention being people themselves.
That is correct. I should have been clearer when I said the above. I
meant I personally do not have the time to implement something like
> Also, the 80%
>solution as it exists today is sufficient for everyone's needs at the
>moment, so investing further to split everything up like that isn't
Sorry this does not make any sense to me and throwing some arbitrary
percentage number even less so since instability in package
management ( that includes kernel splits and merges repeat through
history ) and ui is what's driving people away from the community.
I've seen neither decreased nor increased participation in the Fedora
kernel since the split went in. I have seen a number of people express
that they like the change because it suits their needs better. Everyone
else I've interacted with seems to be mostly ambivalent about it.
To me this basically says that it's worthwhile to cause breakage
end users frustration which eventually lead to less contribution to
the community ( which means less hours in total in the contributed
time pool ) but that has no meaningful end result in the long term
I'm not aware of any breakage. I believe there were a few bugs very
early, but for the most part things have been working fine. The split
has been in 3 releases now, so this isn't new any longer.
so that's probably not what you are hinting at even if it was we
live in an ever changing environment ( IoT, ARM,Servers,
Cloud,Containers,Phones,Tablets,Desktops which are all things Fedora
is currently trying to support for example ) and the only way to
Correct. Our environment is constantly changing, and so is the kernel
adapt to that is to precisely to be as modular as possible with
package expressing correct dependency since that's the only
effectively way to combine what ever mixture of components put
together to reflects that environment in any given point in time.
I'm sure we'd be happy to review changes that do this if someone feels
inclined. There will be a lot of work if something like that goes in,
which means people interested need to be willing to do that work as you
said in the section I've trimmed.