Is anyone except me still using KMail?
The recent enormous yum-update (600MB in my case) of Fedora-16/KDE seems to have left KMail in an even more unstable state. It crashes perhaps half the times I use it, and what is worse, it has developed a habit of not crashing, but simply disappearing.
I see nothing reported in /var/log/messages after these episodes. I tried sending the error (backtrace) as suggested after one crash, but as far as I could see KDE bugzilla was out of action at the time.
Am I alone in thinking that Fedora, and in particular KDE, is becoming too complicated? There seem to me to be too many interacting applications which depend on each other for survival. The idea of a single program that does one thing (and does it well) seems to have gone out of fashion.
I see that in Italy they have a Minister of (or for) Simplification. I wish there were something like that in KDE.
In data sabato 10 marzo 2012 11:58:21, Timothy Murphy ha scritto:
Is anyone except me still using KMail?
Me! :)
The recent enormous yum-update (600MB in my case) of Fedora-16/KDE seems to have left KMail in an even more unstable state. It crashes perhaps half the times I use it, and what is worse, it has developed a habit of not crashing, but simply disappearing.
I don't update my system...but kde-pim have a lot of problems and I don't think it depend on packager maintainer but from upstream.
I see nothing reported in /var/log/messages after these episodes. I tried sending the error (backtrace) as suggested after one crash, but as far as I could see KDE bugzilla was out of action at the time.
Am I alone in thinking that Fedora, and in particular KDE, is becoming too complicated? There seem to me to be too many interacting applications which depend on each other for survival. The idea of a single program that does one thing (and does it well) seems to have gone out of fashion.
I see that in Italy they have a Minister of (or for) Simplification. I wish there were something like that in KDE.
And it doesn't work very well aahahh
Yep.. Seeing the same thing.... sigh.
I think you're right.... The internals seem to be getting way too complicated. Outsmarting itself.
Eli
On Saturday 10 March 2012 11:58:21 Timothy Murphy wrote:
Is anyone except me still using KMail?
The recent enormous yum-update (600MB in my case) of Fedora-16/KDE seems to have left KMail in an even more unstable state. It crashes perhaps half the times I use it, and what is worse, it has developed a habit of not crashing, but simply disappearing.
I see nothing reported in /var/log/messages after these episodes. I tried sending the error (backtrace) as suggested after one crash, but as far as I could see KDE bugzilla was out of action at the time.
Am I alone in thinking that Fedora, and in particular KDE, is becoming too complicated? There seem to me to be too many interacting applications which depend on each other for survival. The idea of a single program that does one thing (and does it well) seems to have gone out of fashion.
I see that in Italy they have a Minister of (or for) Simplification. I wish there were something like that in KDE.
On Saturday 10 Mar 2012 11:58:21 Timothy Murphy wrote:
Is anyone except me still using KMail?
I have never stopped using Kmail, POP3 and Gmail IMAP > manual migration as automatic migration to Kmail2 never worked here.
The recent enormous yum-update (600MB in my case) of Fedora-16/KDE seems to have left KMail in an even more unstable state. It crashes perhaps half the times I use it, and what is worse, it has developed a habit of not crashing, but simply disappearing.
The Dev's are aware of this issue, someone suggested disabling Nepomuk desktop search to see if it helps. So far for me it has stopped the crashing and/or disappearing of Kmail2 which has been up now for ~ 4 hours.
F16/4.8.1
Colin -- Fedora release 16 (Verne) Registered Linux user number #342953
On Saturday 10 March 2012 18:50:48 Colin J Thomson wrote:
On Saturday 10 Mar 2012 11:58:21 Timothy Murphy wrote:
Is anyone except me still using KMail?
I have never stopped using Kmail, POP3 and Gmail IMAP > manual migration as automatic migration to Kmail2 never worked here.
The recent enormous yum-update (600MB in my case) of Fedora-16/KDE seems to have left KMail in an even more unstable state. It crashes perhaps half the times I use it, and what is worse, it has developed a habit of not crashing, but simply disappearing.
The Dev's are aware of this issue, someone suggested disabling Nepomuk desktop search to see if it helps. So far for me it has stopped the crashing and/or disappearing of Kmail2 which has been up now for ~ 4 hours.
ahh, thanks for this tip. since disabling (about 2 hours ago) nepomuk search kontact didn't crash anymore. rex: could disabling flash in konqueror work also? tia, didi
F16/4.8.1
Colin
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On Monday 12 Mar 2012 11:07:30 Didi Kressnig wrote:
On Saturday 10 March 2012 18:50:48 Colin J Thomson wrote:
On Saturday 10 Mar 2012 11:58:21 Timothy Murphy wrote:
Is anyone except me still using KMail?
I have never stopped using Kmail, POP3 and Gmail IMAP > manual migration as automatic migration to Kmail2 never worked here.
The recent enormous yum-update (600MB in my case) of Fedora-16/KDE seems to have left KMail in an even more unstable state. It crashes perhaps half the times I use it, and what is worse, it has developed a habit of not crashing, but simply disappearing.
The Dev's are aware of this issue, someone suggested disabling Nepomuk desktop search to see if it helps. So far for me it has stopped the crashing and/or disappearing of Kmail2 which has been up now for ~ 4 hours.
ahh, thanks for this tip. since disabling (about 2 hours ago) nepomuk search kontact didn't crash anymore.
OK, here is the bug report:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=295474
Colin
Timothy Murphy wrote:
Is anyone except me still using KMail?
Since you had a 600MG download, I am presuming that you updated to kde-4.8.1 and that the kmail you are using is actually kmail2.
Yes, I am using it as my only mail program and, yes, I have experienced an occasional crash, and, occasionally it just disappears without a crash notice. These crashes are rare, say once every few days, and I think I might have figured out how to avoid/minimize it: I allow all of the emails to fully download, until the 100% message at the lower right disappears, before clicking on any mail directories or individual emails. This seems to solve (not sure how to verity it) the problem, at least, almost all of the time.
Like you, I like kmail, which is "a single program that does one thing... well," and it is delivering on that promise for me.
Another thing I noticed (I don't have enough emails saved to be able to verify this, as I unsubscribed from a mailing list I was on for a while)...
Try setting the view/message list/aggregation to standard. The threaded views seemed to be problematic, causing these mysterious crashes and program quits. Again, I cannot actually verify this and I don't have any threaded email correspondence saved, so I am not able to verify the problem, but standard view seemed to minimize the problem for me.
Peter Gueckel wrote:
Try setting the view/message list/aggregation to standard.
Thanks very much. I'll try both this, and the previous suggestion you made.
Peter Gueckel wrote:
Is anyone except me still using KMail?
Yes, I am using it as my only mail program and, yes, I have experienced an occasional crash, and, occasionally it just disappears without a crash notice. These crashes are rare, say once every few days, and I think I might have figured out how to avoid/minimize it: I allow all of the emails to fully download, until the 100% message at the lower right disappears, before clicking on any mail directories or individual emails. This seems to solve (not sure how to verity it) the problem, at least, almost all of the time.
I've been following this advice, and I've had no problems with KMail2 for over 24 hours now (Touch wood), which is probably an all-time record. (I always used to start reading as soon as the number of new messages came up.)
I've also stopped getting the message (said to be from Plasma Desktop Shell) "Unknown error. (Unable to fetch item from backend)" whenever I re-boot or login after hibernation.
Could these be related? Or has there been some relevant yum-update since the enormous update a few days ago?
Timothy Murphy wrote:
Is anyone except me still using KMail?
Yes, I am using it as my only mail program and, yes, I have experienced an occasional crash, and, occasionally it just disappears without a crash notice. These crashes are rare, say once every few days, and I think I might have figured out how to avoid/minimize it: I allow all of the emails to fully download, until the 100% message at the lower right disappears, before clicking on any mail directories or individual emails. This seems to solve (not sure how to verity it) the problem, at least, almost all of the time.
I've been following this advice, and I've had no problems with KMail2 for over 24 hours now (Touch wood), which is probably an all-time record. (I always used to start reading as soon as the number of new messages came up.)
I knew I was tempting fate! KMail2 crashed 3 times in the next 5 minutes.
Now I'm trying the other suggested cure, and have disabled Nepomuk Desktop Search Services. Kmail hasn't crashed for 15 minutes ...