How do I get this thing to shut up? I update my system using dnf from the command line and don't want to change, but this widget keeps popping up notifications and its configuration panel doesn't have a toggle to turn it off.
What do I need to uninstall?
poc
Patrick O'Callaghan ha scritto:
How do I get this thing to shut up? I update my system using dnf from the command line and don't want to change, but this widget keeps popping up notifications and its configuration panel doesn't have a toggle to turn it off.
What do I need to uninstall?
Uh, most likely plasma-pk-updates.
Ciao
On Fri, 2019-11-15 at 12:28 +0100, Luigi Toscano wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan ha scritto:
How do I get this thing to shut up? I update my system using dnf from the command line and don't want to change, but this widget keeps popping up notifications and its configuration panel doesn't have a toggle to turn it off.
What do I need to uninstall?
Uh, most likely plasma-pk-updates.
Thanks. I should have mentioned that this is a fresh install of KDE after many years of just updating from release to release, so presumably that just appeared at some point and I'd never seen it before.
Ciao.
poc
On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 11:34:34 +0000, you wrote:
On Fri, 2019-11-15 at 12:28 +0100, Luigi Toscano wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan ha scritto:
How do I get this thing to shut up? I update my system using dnf from the command line and don't want to change, but this widget keeps popping up notifications and its configuration panel doesn't have a toggle to turn it off.
What do I need to uninstall?
Uh, most likely plasma-pk-updates.
Thanks. I should have mentioned that this is a fresh install of KDE after many years of just updating from release to release, so presumably that just appeared at some point and I'd never seen it before.
I think the difference is that the notification no longer seems to disappear after a couple of seconds but rather obnoxiously sits there until you click on the x to get rid of it.
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
How do I get this thing to shut up? I update my system using dnf from the command line and don't want to change, but this widget keeps popping up notifications and its configuration panel doesn't have a toggle to turn it off.
Multiple options: 1. Refresh packagekit after using dnf, run: pkcon refresh 2. Disable the applet, right click ^ in system tray => configure system tray => general => extra items => Uncheck "software updates" 3. uninstall plasma-pk-updates (and restart your plasma session)
-- Rex
On Fri, 2019-11-15 at 09:00 -0500, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 11:34:34 +0000, you wrote:
On Fri, 2019-11-15 at 12:28 +0100, Luigi Toscano wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan ha scritto:
How do I get this thing to shut up? I update my system using dnf from the command line and don't want to change, but this widget keeps popping up notifications and its configuration panel doesn't have a toggle to turn it off.
What do I need to uninstall?
Uh, most likely plasma-pk-updates.
Thanks. I should have mentioned that this is a fresh install of KDE after many years of just updating from release to release, so presumably that just appeared at some point and I'd never seen it before.
I think the difference is that the notification no longer seems to disappear after a couple of seconds but rather obnoxiously sits there until you click on the x to get rid of it.
I'm pretty sure I would have seen it if it had existed previously. The other misfeature is that you can't actually update anything by clicking on it. All you can do is dismiss the notification. I fail to see the logic behind that.
poc
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
I'm pretty sure I would have seen it if it had existed previously. The other misfeature is that you can't actually update anything by clicking on it. All you can do is dismiss the notification. I fail to see the logic behind that.
Notification protocol design prohibits them from being interactive, they're supposed to be purely informational.
-- Rex
On 11/16/19 12:32 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
How do I get this thing to shut up? I update my system using dnf from the command line and don't want to change, but this widget keeps popping up notifications and its configuration panel doesn't have a toggle to turn it off.
Multiple options:
- Refresh packagekit after using dnf, run: pkcon refresh
FWIW, I only use the widget as a source of info that updates are available. I use dnf to update. I found that after the dnf update it is necessary to do "pkcon refresh force" to clear the indication.
- Disable the applet, right click ^ in system tray => configure system
tray => general => extra items => Uncheck "software updates" 3. uninstall plasma-pk-updates (and restart your plasma session)
On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 07:49 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 11/16/19 12:32 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
How do I get this thing to shut up? I update my system using dnf from the command line and don't want to change, but this widget keeps popping up notifications and its configuration panel doesn't have a toggle to turn it off.
Multiple options:
- Refresh packagekit after using dnf, run: pkcon refresh
FWIW, I only use the widget as a source of info that updates are available. I use dnf to update. I found that after the dnf update it is necessary to do "pkcon refresh force" to clear the indication.
Which is frankly ridiculous. Presumably the widget exists for people who live entirely in a GUI rather than using dnf, yet the GUI doesn't provide a way of acting on the updates (unless you install some other tool, which you have to know about because the widget doesn't tell you).
Furthermore, I for one have no knowledge of PackageKit. I don't know if I even need to have it installed, though it would appear not. I use dnf exclusively, so if it's not required, maybe KDE on Fedora shouldn't install this widget by default, or at least make it easier to turn it off from the GUI itself.
Anyway, getting a bit OT so I'll leave it at that.
poc
On 11/16/19 7:52 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 07:49 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 11/16/19 12:32 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
How do I get this thing to shut up? I update my system using dnf from the command line and don't want to change, but this widget keeps popping up notifications and its configuration panel doesn't have a toggle to turn it off.
Multiple options:
- Refresh packagekit after using dnf, run: pkcon refresh
FWIW, I only use the widget as a source of info that updates are available. I use dnf to update. I found that after the dnf update it is necessary to do "pkcon refresh force" to clear the indication.
Which is frankly ridiculous. Presumably the widget exists for people who live entirely in a GUI rather than using dnf, yet the GUI doesn't provide a way of acting on the updates (unless you install some other tool, which you have to know about because the widget doesn't tell you).
Furthermore, I for one have no knowledge of PackageKit. I don't know if I even need to have it installed, though it would appear not. I use dnf exclusively, so if it's not required, maybe KDE on Fedora shouldn't install this widget by default, or at least make it easier to turn it off from the GUI itself.
Anyway, getting a bit OT so I'll leave it at that.
In my setup the widget will show the update widget in the systray after it finds updates available.
Far bottom left in screenshot.
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On 11/16/19 7:52 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 07:49 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 11/16/19 12:32 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
How do I get this thing to shut up? I update my system using dnf from the command line and don't want to change, but this widget keeps popping up notifications and its configuration panel doesn't have a toggle to turn it off.
Multiple options:
- Refresh packagekit after using dnf, run: pkcon refresh
FWIW, I only use the widget as a source of info that updates are available. I use dnf to update. I found that after the dnf update it is necessary to do "pkcon refresh force" to clear the indication.
Which is frankly ridiculous. Presumably the widget exists for people who live entirely in a GUI rather than using dnf, yet the GUI doesn't provide a way of acting on the updates (unless you install some other tool, which you have to know about because the widget doesn't tell you).
On my system it does allow to call it to update.
I just don't happen to use it mainly out of habit for 2 reasons.
1. I like to see the actions being taken, and not hidden in the widget. 2. It used to be, but may have changed, that the actions taken weren't recorded in the dnf history.
Furthermore, I for one have no knowledge of PackageKit. I don't know if I even need to have it installed, though it would appear not. I use dnf exclusively, so if it's not required, maybe KDE on Fedora shouldn't install this widget by default, or at least make it easier to turn it off from the GUI itself.
Anyway, getting a bit OT so I'll leave it at that.
OK. And also good to note that not everything thinks the same.
On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 20:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
Which is frankly ridiculous. Presumably the widget exists for people who live entirely in a GUI rather than using dnf, yet the GUI doesn't provide a way of acting on the updates (unless you install some other tool, which you have to know about because the widget doesn't tell you).
On my system it does allow to call it to update.
I can only assume it's calling some other tool to do this (dnfdragora maybe?), but since I don't have this installed it does nothing, not even recommend that I install the tool.
poc
On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 08:12 -0400, Patrick Boutilier wrote:
On 11/16/19 7:52 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 07:49 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 11/16/19 12:32 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
How do I get this thing to shut up? I update my system using dnf from the command line and don't want to change, but this widget keeps popping up notifications and its configuration panel doesn't have a toggle to turn it off.
Multiple options:
- Refresh packagekit after using dnf, run: pkcon refresh
FWIW, I only use the widget as a source of info that updates are available. I use dnf to update. I found that after the dnf update it is necessary to do "pkcon refresh force" to clear the indication.
Which is frankly ridiculous. Presumably the widget exists for people who live entirely in a GUI rather than using dnf, yet the GUI doesn't provide a way of acting on the updates (unless you install some other tool, which you have to know about because the widget doesn't tell you).
Furthermore, I for one have no knowledge of PackageKit. I don't know if I even need to have it installed, though it would appear not. I use dnf exclusively, so if it's not required, maybe KDE on Fedora shouldn't install this widget by default, or at least make it easier to turn it off from the GUI itself.
Anyway, getting a bit OT so I'll leave it at that.
In my setup the widget will show the update widget in the systray after it finds updates available.
Far bottom left in screenshot.
No screenshot. What is the name of the update widget it shows you?
poc
On 11/16/19 9:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 08:12 -0400, Patrick Boutilier wrote:
On 11/16/19 7:52 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 07:49 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 11/16/19 12:32 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
How do I get this thing to shut up? I update my system using dnf from the command line and don't want to change, but this widget keeps popping up notifications and its configuration panel doesn't have a toggle to turn it off.
Multiple options:
- Refresh packagekit after using dnf, run: pkcon refresh
FWIW, I only use the widget as a source of info that updates are available. I use dnf to update. I found that after the dnf update it is necessary to do "pkcon refresh force" to clear the indication.
Which is frankly ridiculous. Presumably the widget exists for people who live entirely in a GUI rather than using dnf, yet the GUI doesn't provide a way of acting on the updates (unless you install some other tool, which you have to know about because the widget doesn't tell you).
Furthermore, I for one have no knowledge of PackageKit. I don't know if I even need to have it installed, though it would appear not. I use dnf exclusively, so if it's not required, maybe KDE on Fedora shouldn't install this widget by default, or at least make it easier to turn it off from the GUI itself.
Anyway, getting a bit OT so I'll leave it at that.
In my setup the widget will show the update widget in the systray after it finds updates available.
Far bottom left in screenshot.
No screenshot. What is the name of the update widget it shows you?
Here is a screenshot of my widget with the "Install Updates" button.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iIyX43aGdcayLSPH6mDyjlokkG-qYs2N/view?usp=s...
The widget is shown as "Software Updates" when mouse hovers over it.
On 11/16/19 9:26 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 20:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
Which is frankly ridiculous. Presumably the widget exists for people who live entirely in a GUI rather than using dnf, yet the GUI doesn't provide a way of acting on the updates (unless you install some other tool, which you have to know about because the widget doesn't tell you).
On my system it does allow to call it to update.
I can only assume it's calling some other tool to do this (dnfdragora maybe?), but since I don't have this installed it does nothing, not even recommend that I install the tool.
Perhaps you have it set not to show in the system tray?
In System Tray Settings -> General -> Extra Items -. Software Updates
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On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 21:55 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
Far bottom left in screenshot.
No screenshot. What is the name of the update widget it shows you?
Here is a screenshot of my widget with the "Install Updates" button.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iIyX43aGdcayLSPH6mDyjlokkG-qYs2N/view?usp=s...
The widget is shown as "Software Updates" when mouse hovers over it.
I get neither the list nor the "Install Updates" button, just a short message saying that "N updates are available" (or words to that effect - I've now removed the widget so can't check it).
poc
On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 10:59 -0400, Patrick Boutilier wrote:
On 11/16/19 9:26 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 20:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
Which is frankly ridiculous. Presumably the widget exists for people who live entirely in a GUI rather than using dnf, yet the GUI doesn't provide a way of acting on the updates (unless you install some other tool, which you have to know about because the widget doesn't tell you).
On my system it does allow to call it to update.
I can only assume it's calling some other tool to do this (dnfdragora maybe?), but since I don't have this installed it does nothing, not even recommend that I install the tool.
Perhaps you have it set not to show in the system tray?
In System Tray Settings -> General -> Extra Items -. Software Updates
I've never configured it in any way. When I first noticed it I didn't even know what it was before clicking on it.
Anyway, I've now removed it. Thanks all the same.
poc
On 11/17/19 2:20 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 21:55 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
Far bottom left in screenshot.
No screenshot. What is the name of the update widget it shows you?
Here is a screenshot of my widget with the "Install Updates" button.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iIyX43aGdcayLSPH6mDyjlokkG-qYs2N/view?usp=s...
The widget is shown as "Software Updates" when mouse hovers over it.
I get neither the list nor the "Install Updates" button, just a short message saying that "N updates are available" (or words to that effect
- I've now removed the widget so can't check it).
Sounds as if you never "clicked" on the widget.
On Sun, 2019-11-17 at 04:17 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 11/17/19 2:20 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 21:55 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
Far bottom left in screenshot.
No screenshot. What is the name of the update widget it shows you?
Here is a screenshot of my widget with the "Install Updates" button.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iIyX43aGdcayLSPH6mDyjlokkG-qYs2N/view?usp=s...
The widget is shown as "Software Updates" when mouse hovers over it.
I get neither the list nor the "Install Updates" button, just a short message saying that "N updates are available" (or words to that effect
- I've now removed the widget so can't check it).
Sounds as if you never "clicked" on the widget.
I clicked on the widget multiple times. It never did anything.
poc
On 11/16/19 5:56 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, 2019-11-17 at 04:17 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 11/17/19 2:20 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 21:55 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
Far bottom left in screenshot.
No screenshot. What is the name of the update widget it shows you?
Here is a screenshot of my widget with the "Install Updates" button.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iIyX43aGdcayLSPH6mDyjlokkG-qYs2N/view?usp=s...
The widget is shown as "Software Updates" when mouse hovers over it.
I get neither the list nor the "Install Updates" button, just a short message saying that "N updates are available" (or words to that effect
- I've now removed the widget so can't check it).
Sounds as if you never "clicked" on the widget.
I clicked on the widget multiple times. It never did anything.
The widget in the systray, not the notification?
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On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 17:58 -0400, Patrick Boutilier wrote:
Sounds as if you never "clicked" on the widget.
I clicked on the widget multiple times. It never did anything.
The widget in the systray, not the notification?
As I said, there was no widget in the systray, only the notification.
It is of course possible that the widget was there and I simply didn't see it, but I'd need to undo my package removal to check for that. If that is what happened, I'd be inclined to call it bad design: separating the notification from the action makes it non-obvious. I understand that this may be because of design rules as Rex commented, in which case I'd be inclined to say there is a problem with the rules. However this is all speculation.
poc
On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 22:39 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 17:58 -0400, Patrick Boutilier wrote:
Sounds as if you never "clicked" on the widget.
I clicked on the widget multiple times. It never did anything.
The widget in the systray, not the notification?
As I said, there was no widget in the systray, only the notification.
It is of course possible that the widget was there and I simply didn't see it, but I'd need to undo my package removal to check for that. If that is what happened, I'd be inclined to call it bad design: separating the notification from the action makes it non-obvious. I understand that this may be because of design rules as Rex commented, in which case I'd be inclined to say there is a problem with the rules. However this is all speculation.
The plot thickens. As I said earlier, I removed the updates widget since I always use dnf. However it has now reappeared without me explicitly re-installing it. Maybe something else dragged it in, I'll need to check. Same thing happened to PackageKit, which I had also removed.
Anyway, seeing the notification pop up made me look more carefully and lo and behold, the systray widget does indeed allow me to update from the GUI, contrary to what I thought. I'm guessing that earlier I had just noticed the notification and not the widget. It would be easy to add something to the notification message to say "click on the systray widget to update" or similar.
Better leave it at that for now. I'll get back to it if anything interesting shows up.
poc
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