For the first time ever, I skipped a Fedora release [blush] I was using Fedora 21 until Tuesday, when I installed Fedora 23ß to an empty partition :-)
It's too early to say, but I have encountered a few issues:
1. When logging out, the screen goes blank and the display manager never appears (gdm); I cannot get to another virtual termimal, so I have to 'pull the plug' and boot anew :-(
2. The audio volume applet in the system tray doesn't always appear. I think it might be that pulseaudio is not running, but I think it says it is. I have tried starting pulseaudio anyway and I think I've pretty much gotten it to work reliably for the session.
3. A weird problem with apper and dnf. Apper keeps telling me that I have a whole slew of new updates, but dnf says there's nothing to do. Huh? I have cleaned all in dnf and still it finds nothing. What repos is apper accessing?
4. I installed the rpmfusion free/nonfree branched release packages but I cannot install a thing. I scanned the site and they have Fedora 22 packages and the rawhide packages are labelled fc22 as well. Should I do without multimedia for a month, or should I just install the rawhide fc22 packages? Will they automatically be dnf upgraded to the fc23 ones in October?
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All in all, I haven't experienced anything too serious, except for the horrible need to kill the machine when logging out, but I think there are a lot of great improvements! It is so much easier to deal with akonadi resources now, instead of having them in the system settings twice (!) under different names, as well as in the program configurations. Now, they are configured in the programs that use them. So much better! Jovie is way better, too, with it appearing in the system tray and configuration is right there. I even got it working, with only a little fiddling with the scheechd.conf file. Still, it doesn't always start up, likely because of the pulseaudo problem, but I seem to be able to use it reliably enough.
I really like KDE5@Fedora23! [And I was forced to use Gnome while I was installing and doing the group install of KDE Workspaces and I've decided that it's pretty slick, too---but now that I'm back on KDE, I think I'll stay ;-)]
And one other niggling little problem springs to mind as an afterthought:
5. I set the system to use the 24-hour clock in the installer, but KDE uses the AM/PM format. Ugh! I have the digital clock on the KDE Panel set to 24-hour format, but konsole and elsewhere shows AM/PM. In the regional settings, I had to change the time to Canada (iu_CA), which has kind of solved the problem, but it is still not universal fix, since Korganizer still shows AM/PM time :-( Has anyone solved this?
On 09/25/2015 08:15 PM, P. Gueckel wrote:
- I set the system to use the 24-hour clock in the installer,
but KDE uses the AM/PM format. Ugh! I have the digital clock on the KDE Panel set to 24-hour format, but konsole and elsewhere shows AM/PM. In the regional settings, I had to change the time to Canada (iu_CA), which has kind of solved the problem, but it is still not universal fix, since Korganizer still shows AM/PM time :-( Has anyone solved this?
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982
Please comment and vote on this well-known and universally hated bug. It appears that the developers have no intention of correcting it.
KDE Plasma: how the mighty have fallen!
Glenn Holmer wrote:
Please comment and vote on this well-known and universally
hated bug.
I have added a comment expressing my dismay.
Luckily, I have found that a setting that is not easy to find, about halfway through the list, called Default (C), gives me exactly what I want. However, Korganizer does not respect my setting and persists in using the AM/PM format Ugh!
And, I prefer to have the week start on Monday, so as not to break up the weekend (irksome!). While not common here in Canada, it is in actual fact the culturally most 'correct' way, since "the Lord rested on the seventh day" and our cultural roots and political/legal system are European. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find a workaround for this problem.
Glenn Holmer wrote:
this well-known and universally hated bug
I just noticed another glitch :-(
While the Default (C) setting resolves many of the problems, it doesn't resolve all (I already mentioned Korganizer). I also notice that the calendar in the digital clock on the plasma bar now shows September as M09. Is that ugly, or what?
On Friday 25 Sep 2015 7:02:20 PM P. Gueckel wrote:
- The audio volume applet in the system tray doesn't always
appear. I think it might be that pulseaudio is not running, but I think it says it is. I have tried starting pulseaudio anyway and I think I've pretty much gotten it to work reliably for the session.
NetworkManager widget had the same problem pre-5.4. Maybe the widget is a little buggy. I have not seen it for a few days now.
- A weird problem with apper and dnf. Apper keeps telling me
that I have a whole slew of new updates, but dnf says there's nothing to do. Huh? I have cleaned all in dnf and still it finds nothing. What repos is apper accessing?
DNF and the Software Updater widget use different mirrorlist which causes them to be out of sync.
Sudhir Khanger wrote:
On Friday 25 Sep 2015 7:02:20 PM P. Gueckel wrote:
- The audio volume applet in the system tray doesn't
always
appear. I think it might be that pulseaudio is not
running,
but I think it says it is. I have tried starting
pulseaudio
anyway and I think I've pretty much gotten it to work reliably for the session.
NetworkManager widget had the same problem pre-5.4. Maybe
the widget is a
little buggy. I have not seen it for a few days now.
I have noticed some curious things. On the desktop computer, when I open the Add Widgets menu, it shows the Audio Volume widget with a 2 superimposed, but I have it only in the system tray and have not added another instance, nor am I able to locate a second instance of the widget anywhere. And, even more curious, the laptop computer shows a 1 superimposed on the Audio Volume widget in the Add Widgets menu and the widget appears only in the system tray---but it has the problem, too!
What seems to solve it is to open the system tray configuration, disable the audio volume widget, apply, then enable the widget and apply again. However, this does not get rid of the apparent (?) second instance of the widget on the desktop computer.
P. Gueckel wrote:
I have noticed some curious things. On the desktop computer, when I open the Add Widgets menu, it shows the Audio Volume widget with a 2 superimposed, but I have it only in the system tray and have not added another instance, nor am I able to locate a second instance of the widget anywhere. And, even more curious, the laptop computer shows a 1 superimposed on the Audio Volume widget in the Add Widgets menu and the widget appears only in the system tray---but it has the problem, too!
What seems to solve it is to open the system tray configuration, disable the audio volume widget, apply, then enable the widget and apply again. However, this does not get rid of the apparent (?) second instance of the widget on the desktop computer.
I guess one of them is the new plasma-pa PulseAudio plasmoid, the other one is the good old KMix that still exists, too.
Kevin Kofler
Kevin Kofler wrote:
one of them is the new plasma-pa PulseAudio plasmoid, the
other one
is the good old KMix that still exists, too.
But where are they? I have not enabled any of them manually. There is the box to tick in the system tray and it was already ticked when the program was installed, so:
Where is the other one, since it says there are two apparently running; and
Why doesn't the laptop show two, since I made no changes from installation there, either?
On Saturday 26 Sep 2015 11:49:31 AM P. Gueckel wrote:
Kevin Kofler wrote:
one of them is the new plasma-pa PulseAudio plasmoid, the
other one
is the good old KMix that still exists, too.
But where are they? I have not enabled any of them manually. There is the box to tick in the system tray and it was already ticked when the program was installed, so:
Where is the other one, since it says there are two apparently running; and
Why doesn't the laptop show two, since I made no changes from installation there, either?
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You should decide which one you want to use. I decided on plasma-pa. As a result I disabled autostart in Kmix app settings and also disabled KMixD service in Background Services.
When you install plasma-pa it gets enabled by default. That's all you have to do.
Sudhir Khanger wrote:
You should decide which one you want to use. I decided on
plasma-pa. As a
result I disabled autostart in Kmix app settings and also
disabled KMixD
service in Background Services.
When you install plasma-pa it gets enabled by default.
That's all you have
to do.
That sounds so easy, except:
There is no kmix package in the repo and no kmixd listed in Background Services, neither startup nor load-on-demand.
On Saturday 26 Sep 2015 12:06:15 PM P. Gueckel wrote:
There is no kmix package in the repo and no kmixd listed in Background Services, neither startup nor load-on-demand.
Weren't you using kmix before plasma-pa? Did you remove it?
[sudhir@fedora ~]$ rpm -qa | grep kmix kmix-15.04.0-1.fc22.x86_64
All of these issues have already been mentioned on the list for F22. It has to do with the upgrade to KDE5 (KF5)... same thing happens with klipper/drop of klocale/drop of system tray... I am still lurking on this list, but have switched away from KDE to LxQT for many of your reasons.
-e
On 09/26/15 12:54, P. Gueckel wrote:
Sudhir Khanger wrote:
On Friday 25 Sep 2015 7:02:20 PM P. Gueckel wrote:
- The audio volume applet in the system tray doesn't
always
appear. I think it might be that pulseaudio is not
running,
but I think it says it is. I have tried starting
pulseaudio
anyway and I think I've pretty much gotten it to work reliably for the session.
NetworkManager widget had the same problem pre-5.4. Maybe
the widget is a
little buggy. I have not seen it for a few days now.
I have noticed some curious things. On the desktop computer, when I open the Add Widgets menu, it shows the Audio Volume widget with a 2 superimposed, but I have it only in the system tray and have not added another instance, nor am I able to locate a second instance of the widget anywhere. And, even more curious, the laptop computer shows a 1 superimposed on the Audio Volume widget in the Add Widgets menu and the widget appears only in the system tray---but it has the problem, too!
What seems to solve it is to open the system tray configuration, disable the audio volume widget, apply, then enable the widget and apply again. However, this does not get rid of the apparent (?) second instance of the widget on the desktop computer.
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On Fri, 2015-09-25 at 19:02 -0600, P. Gueckel wrote:
I really like KDE5@Fedora23! [And I was forced to use Gnome while I was installing and doing the group install of KDE Workspaces and I've decided that it's pretty slick, too---but now that I'm back on KDE, I think I'll stay ;-)]
Does it still support KDM or is SDDM obligatory?
poc
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Does it still support KDM or is SDDM obligatory?
I don't know. I installed from the Fedora Workstation live DVD, which has no KDE on it [scratches head in amazement] I then ran dnf group install "KDE Workspaces" from within Gnome. It was like another world and I had some difficulty completing commonplace tasks ;-) As a result, I have ended up with GDM and it defaults to the last used entry labelled Plasma. I am happy with it like this.
On Sat, 2015-09-26 at 19:17 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Does it still support KDM or is SDDM obligatory?
KDM is still available until further notice.
Thanks. I thought I remembered someone saying it was going to be withdrawn for F23. Given the ongoing lack of support for gnome-keyring in SDDM, that would be a problem.
poc
On 09/25/2015 07:02 PM, P. Gueckel wrote:
For the first time ever, I skipped a Fedora release [blush] I was using Fedora 21 until Tuesday, when I installed Fedora 23ß to an empty partition :-)
It's too early to say, but I have encountered a few issues:
- A weird problem with apper and dnf. Apper keeps telling me
that I have a whole slew of new updates, but dnf says there's nothing to do. Huh? I have cleaned all in dnf and still it finds nothing. What repos is apper accessing?
Perhaps you ended up with dnf-1.1.2-2? It's broken and needs to be manually updated to 1.1.2-3.
P. Gueckel wrote:
For the first time ever, I skipped a Fedora release [blush] I was using Fedora 21 until Tuesday, when I installed Fedora 23ß to an empty partition :-)
As a matter of interest, is it pretty certain that a beta OS can be updated to the final OS when that comes out?
Timothy Murphy wrote:
As a matter of interest, is it pretty certain that a beta OS can be updated to the final OS when that
comes out?
I cannot locate the document I was looking at a couple of days ago, but there is some information here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Beta_Release_Criteria
A ß is intended for release to the "general public" and not just for developers and 'nerdy' testers and it is supposed to be "100% code complete."
I have never had problems with ßs in the past. I kept doing the updates and one day the updates-testing repos were automatically disabled and voilá, the ß was now the final release.
Installing ßs has allowed me to upgrade at my own convenience in advance of the big rush on release day when the final release comes out. What few minor glitches there might be are quickly resolved, as there is heavy development and a steady stream of daily updates.
Not only that, but I can contribute with bugzilla reports, as necessary, to help make the release flawless, while using the system, instead of downloading and installing countless testing releases that invariably fail to install and waste my time and bandwidth (how many times have I done that, only to kick myself in the butt while thinking that I had sworn never again to do that?).
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 08:26:00PM +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
As a matter of interest, is it pretty certain that a beta OS can be updated to the final OS when that comes out?
We don't promise it, but it's generally the case, and I definitely expect it to be true this time.
On 09/25/2015 08:02 PM, P. Gueckel wrote:
- When logging out, the screen goes blank and the display
manager never appears (gdm); I cannot get to another virtual termimal, so I have to 'pull the plug' and boot anew :-(
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I really like KDE5@Fedora23! [And I was forced to use Gnome while I was installing and doing the group install of KDE Workspaces and I've decided that it's pretty slick, too---but now that I'm back on KDE, I think I'll stay ;-)]
Many of your issues may be caused by the unorthodox installation path. GDM isn't well integrated into Plasma (IMHO), and sddm is the default.
I'm saddened that you couldn't find the KDE installation media. This is a complaint that needs to be elevated. The image you should have used to install is at: http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/23_Beta/Live/x86_...