I just read through this thread, and we skipped over a partial solution this. Tracer. This isn't just a KDE problem, this is a Fedora problem, I think we should push to have the tracer plugin for DNF installed by default. This will protect anyone who updates via the command line by explicitly saying "you must reboot/logout to conclude the package update because: xyz."
I also think we should consider plugging tracer into PackageKit so that anyone updates via Muon/Apper can get a visual notification saying "You must reboot/logout to complete this update."
Software's covered by this by way of the Offline Updates it does.
Now, tracer wouldn't protect against an incompatibility that was introduced immediately. Such as the SELinux bug a couple months ago, but at least a notification saying "An update/logout is required" would -inform- users.
I admit, I, like others, freely update without a second thought. I shouldn't do it, but I do. But I'm advanced enough to know how to fix issues like these-- we shouldn't assume all users are. This bug issue would've been really bad for a user who just installed Fedora today and immediately hit it.
On Dec 13, 2015 14:17, "Reindl Harald" <email@example.com> wrote:
> Am 13.12.2015 um 20:05 schrieb Mustafa Muhammad:
>> On Dec 13, 2015 10:02 PM, "Reindl Harald" <firstname.lastname@example.org
>> <mailto:email@example.com>> wrote:
>> > well, ask yourself why you have over many years problem threads on
>> several fedora mailing lists where you have not been able to say
>> anything helpful what changed on your system and rely on crystal balls
>> of others :-)
>> > when i have no clue was my systems are doing i am ending in problems
>> without any context where they could come from
>> There are logs, you know, for every dnf operation
> if things would always be that easy.....
> ther is a difference applying an update and know about or get it installed randomly in the background and even not realize what and when which application is using old or new versions
> frankly even with be careful it's not always that easy, the reason for my kopete crashes by close message windows or tabs was a kdelibs4 update while a ton of other applications had no issues
> P.S: fix your mail-client to aplly proper linewrapping in quotes
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