The problem with this is that, with the new 'Editions' seems to push
everyone into the 'Workstation' version. Having fedup using the
-nonproduct option (I think that's the option name) appears to the end user
that RH/Fedora recommends going with the Gnome 'Workstation' version. I
know I've thought that, and I'm an experienced Fedora Core/Fedora user
since day 1.
To me, and I may not be indicative of the normal user base, that seems an
awful like what Canonical has/is doing with Unity Desktop. Kubuntu and
various other versions aren't getting the support from Canonical they used
to. Does this simplify management, I'm sure it does. But you alienate
those who want the choice of DE whether it's a deliberate, conscious choice
or not. I don't like being forced to choose between a DE I don't like or a
DE I do like, but get (potentially) lesser support and maintenance.
For most of us, it looks like this started as a concerted effort by
RH/Fedora with the whole 'spins' nomenclature. And this appears to be one
more step on the road to only one supported DE going forward. Sure, I can
build my own distro (and have with Gentoo), but that's a time-consuming
process and one I don't feel like I should be required to do just to get
the DE I want. Most of us left the Windows/Mac world back in the day
because we had choice with Distributions, platforms, etc. And to see this
(apparently) deliberate GUI convergence puts a bit of a bad taste in my
mouth.
Of course, I'm probably not representative of the average user, so take
that with a grain of salt.
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 01:38:45PM +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> The main statistic I would like to see is: what percentage of Fedora
users
> are opting for KDE over Gnome?
From our best analysis of Fedora 22 downloads, it's about:
68% Fedora Workstation (which is of course GNOME based)
14% Fedora Server (no GUI)
5% KDE Spin
4% Fedora Cloud (no GUI)
2.5% XFCE Spin
2.5% LXDE Spin
2% Mate Spin
1% Sugar
<1% Everything else
The KDE percentage was roughly the same in Fedora 20, before the "3
Editions" marketing focus. It was higher — about 7% — for F19, but the
difference doesn't seem to have come from the GNOME-based desktop,
which hovers around that 70% mark. Also note that from mirror
connection statistics, F20 and newer seem to be much bigger successes
than anything since Fedora 14, so that 5% is a chunk of a larger pie.
Of course, these numbers are based on downloads and mirror connections.
They don't really tell what people are actually _using_ once they've
done the downloads.
> Fedora seems to me to be making it harder and harder to choose KDE
> (and other alternatives to Gnome).
I don't think that's true. The Fedora design and websites team recently
put a lot of effort into redoing
https://spins.fedoraproject.org/,
which puts KDE right at the top. A specific goal was to separate out
the high-quality desktop spins from the more esoteric "software bundle"
spins like Robotics or Fedora Jam — great in their own right, but kind
of unfair to the desktops to have them all mixed in the list. (You can
now find those at
http://labs.fedoraproject.org/).
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