Hi KDE list,
I like to install a few users & play with new desktops every few releases. I actually prefer KDE & XFCE to Gnome, but as sysadmin I have to learn the default gnome stuff. It's still nice to be familiar with a few other desktop environments & I'm real impressed with the changes to KDE. Lots of COOL changes since F11...

I have a new install of F13-64 & installed the yum groupinstall "KDE Compilation", plus got the switchdesk packages, but could not switchdesk from Gnome to KDE? As a regular user, the switchdesk gui would popup & KDE was selected, but I was unable to get the user's desktop to switch after restart-X/reboot & login again. It appeared to have created the proper .Xclients files, but I'm not sure I remember the details now. I don't understand why it is so difficult to switch from gnome to kde now in f13? The default Gnome GDM doesn't have session menus either like it used to, to allow the user to pick their session/desktop.

Finally I decided to  make KDM & KDE the system defaults & "yum install system-switch-displaymanager-gnome" packages. Then ran 'system-switch-displaymanager KDM" and restarted runlevel 5. Ah, a nice familiar KDM login with menus & session choices. Now when the user runs swtichdesk, the changes take effect. ref: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KDE

Could someone please verify if there is a bug with switchdesk, or if it needs a dependency to automatically get the system-switch-displaymanager packages to work properly for avg users? It shouldn't be this hard to change the default gnome desktop to kde? May be I'm doing something wrong... It doesn't make sense that users should have to ask an admin to install KDM as the default to be allowed to use switchdesk & get at their KDE desktop environment.

Also, it really bothers me the default GDM is so stripped down. The default Gnome GDM, doesn't have a session menu anymore... only "Shutdown Options" button in lower right corner <ick>. I really dislike the new GDM, & will definitely use KDM with it's nice menu choices & left-center layout.

Thanks Rex & all on the KDE dev team, I've been a lurking a long time on this list. - Cheers, Art Wildman