On Sunday 09 August 2015 03:49:29 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 08.08.2015 um 02:14 schrieb Kevin Kofler:
>> Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>> Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
>>>> Some of my points were:
>>>> 1) Almost dead upstream for Konq, vs thriving upstream for Firefox,
>>>> Konq may have undiscovered security vulnerabilities, but the limited
>>>> number of users is hiding them.
>>> The limited number of users also means nobody will be targeting
>>> Konqueror with attacks. IMHO, this is actually an advantage.
>> PS: A Firefox 0-day exploited in the wild:
>> -wild/ Do we really want to expose our users to such risks?
> sorry, but *that* is nonsense
> while i am firefox user and don't like it as default on live-media just
> because there was a security bug is nonsense as argument, given that we
> would need to kill nearly any package out of Fedora because all software
> in the past few years had more or less critical security bugs
The point is, as I wrote, Konqueror is very unlikely to get targeted by an
attack. Firefox, on the other hand, is an attractive target and does get
exploited in the wild (as the example has shown).
All software has security holes. But only software with a high market share
is an interesting attack target.
That one I have to respond to. While in part true... the other aspect of
vulnerability is how quickly a response is made to closing the holes. One of
the hallmarks of Linux based systems is that security is #1. If a hole is
discovered, it is repaired and released. It is in fact something that I am
constantly amazed by.
It isn't just the browser that is attacked, but protocols. and the main vector
when it comes to browser security is the human factor. You cannot blame a
browser, one way or the other if people keep doing dumb things (and we are all
guilty of doing dumb things) on the internet. Scripting languages, php, java,
jscript, etc are other vectors as well.
The problem with Konqueror, is that no serious development is ongoing for it
and it has been worked on in any serious fashion in a very long time. Other
people have attempted to start new browsers projects but probably because of
the organizational force of Mozilla and Google, the interest to push
development has not been there.
I do not fall on either side of the debate. I understand that the live spin is
there to show off KDE / Plasma and its applications. Unfortuneately, Konqueror
is not a shining example of what a KDE app should be. It was when it first came
out. I loved it, but after the development team deferred development to Apple
things went south quickly.
An awful lot of people think of computers as communication devices rather than
extremely sophisticated adding machines (which is what a computer is). If you
are going to try to sell new users into using KDE on Fedora, you are more than
likely gonna turn most of them off.
Firefox needs to be included. It should not be exclusive. By the way... If
there is room on the CD iso so should libreoffice.
I believe that it would be counter productive to maintain an OCD stance when
trying to promote KDE with applications that you know will turn newbies away.
Hell, with the current state of affairs, they are turning vetrans away also.
Thats my 2 cents worth.
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