On Thu, 2020-02-13 at 13:54 +0100, Iñaki Ucar wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 at 13:43, Patrick O'Callaghan
> On Thu, 2020-02-13 at 13:15 +0100, Iñaki Ucar wrote:
> > On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 at 11:56, Patrick O'Callaghan
> > > On Thu, 2020-02-13 at 00:34 +0100, Iñaki Ucar wrote:
> > > > This isn't a KDE thing, it's systemd. See e.g.  and .
> > > >
> > > >  https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=12994
> > > > 
> > >
> > > I know what causes it. My point is that the problem occurs with KDE and
> > > other desktops, but not apparently with Gnome, so it would be
> > > interesting to know why this is. Does systemd treat Gnome specially, or
> > > does Gnome have some kind of built-in workaraound that avoids this
> > > issue?
> > Are you sure that this doesn't happen with Gnome?
> No, I'm simply relying on some comments in the above references.
AFAIK, it does happen in Gnome too, because that's entirely to systemd
(unless gdm does something special nowadays). E.g.:
OK. I guess I might try Gnome to see what happens.
> > There was a change in systemd some years ago  to
> > by default, and if you follow the trail, this triggered lively debate.
> > Particularly, we had  in Fedora, and there was even a change
> > proposal  to follow the decision upstream, but it was first delayed
> > and then never implemented . Maybe Zbigniew (in CC), the owner,
> > could tell us why.
> I'll take a look at those, thanks.
> > And maybe this topic could be resurrected in devel if there's renewed
> > interest, but you are probably going to find opposition; because this
> > is fine for multi-user workstations, but it breaks things in servers.
> > IMHO, in a perfect world, each flavour (Workstation, Server, KDE...)
> > should decide and explicitly set the default option.
> Sounds like a good idea. I don't see why it should break things in
> servers, but maybe that's clarified in the links you mention.
TL;DR: it kills processes when you log out. So if you ssh into the
machine, launch something using tmux/screen/nohup, and then log out,
these processes get killed. You have further details and discussion in
the links provided (and in other forums in other distros if you take a
Yes, I've skimmed them now and have an idea of the objections. What I
don't understand is
which says that KillUserProcesses is now the default, when it clearly isn't. I did a
fresh install of F31 a couple of months ago and that setting had not changed until I
edited it myself.