On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Gerald B. Cox <gbcox@bzb.us> wrote:

On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Eli Wapniarski <eli@orbsky.homelinux.org> wrote:
I believe that it would be counter productive to maintain an OCD stance when
trying to promote KDE with applications that you know will turn newbies away

I believe it's a bit counter-intuitive to promote KDE with non-KDE applications.

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What's worse, though-- a *bad* KDE application, or a non-KDE application? That seems to be what we're arguing about, mainly? Perhaps s/bad/obsolete/ would be a better way to describe Konqueror. One could argue both don't do a good job of promoting KDE.

That's kind of what I was getting at above (although I mainly chimed in here to reply to the assertion that Konqueror was more secure because it had a dead upstream and very low user base). The desire to have all KDE applications, where appropriate in the browser, makes sense, but Konqueror specifically is... well... I don't recall reading many testimonies from people in these threads who actually regularly use Konqueror as their primary browser.

I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other here, other than to note that for me, and other KDE users I know in person, Konqueror is a mild annoyance when initially configuring a system. I would absolutely prefer it if a better browser was shipped by default but it wouldn't be the end of the world if it wasn't.

The interesting question, it seems, is "does shipping Konqueror as the default do any *harm*, besides annoying the majority of users who aren't going to use it as their main browser?" Which I suppose is why we're discussing about security vulnerabilities.

If the KDE project did not have a browser, would those who are against shipping any non-native KDE applications be against including an external browser? If a browser existed, but it was a "bad" browser (think, say, IE6 or worse when it comes to standards support), would it need to be our default and *only* browser (in the image) by the same rationale?

As it happens, Konqueror is neither of these things, which is why I don't have a strong opinion on this either way.

Ben Rosser