On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Eric Griffith <egriffith92@gmail.com> wrote:
That's a separate debate in and of itself...
Well, actually it's not... especially since people keep citing it as the reason for the change.  My opinion is that if you install the KDE spin, you should get the KDE browser.  If you find you don't like it, you can install something else; just as you'd have to install Lame, Flash or any of the other things you may find you want, but aren't included in the distribution.  If you can figure out how to add Flash to Firefox, you certainly can figure out how to install Firefox.

Personally I believe that pre-put-together (not Arch, not Gentoo, not LFS) distros exist solely for end user experience.. Otherwise why bother? Truly, if the end user experience does not matter in decision-making then what do we (Fedora as a whole) offer over Arch or Gentoo or LFS?

First of all, I didn't say that the end-user experience "does not matter".  I stated:  "There is more to decisions than "end-user" experience."
Also, there is more to "end-user" experience than simply "does my Youtube videos play".  If that was all you were concerned about you'd use
Ubuntu or for that matter Apple or Windows.

Now just to clarify: This message isn't a "screw Fedora" message. This isn't a "the apocalypse is now" message. This is a genuine question. What is Fedora's niche? How much do we value end user experience? And what are we as a project aiming for?

That can be found here:  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview 

We can talk all day and night about Free Software Ideals but we all know that the majority of our users do not care, at all. They want to play DVD's and listen to music and watch videos. The end user experience is their top priority.

Then they shouldn't be running Fedora. 

I understand that Fedora can't ship mp3 playback or libdvdcss because of US laws-- perfectly fine, no problem. The laws are the laws, even if they suck. But what about the things we CAN change for the sake of user experience? Where does the line get drawn and why is it drawn where it is?

You can see where the line is here: