On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Orcan Ogetbil <oget.fedora(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Uh oh. I sense a potential disturbance in the force. I hope the 4to5
> transition experience in Fedora won't be as adventurous as the 3to4
Nope. There will be lots of changes under the hood, but not so much
in the way of user-visible changes.
The big ticket item is splitting out the big old monolithic kdelibs
into 57 separate libraries that each do one thing and one thing well.
That effort recently hit a major milestone of actually separating out
into different git repositories. 
There is some work to be done for developers, but much less work is
required than the Qt/KDE3->4 transition. I've been watching the
commits for porting Kate to KDE5 fly by my e-mail and it's amazing how
quickly they got Kate & KWrite up and running on KDE5. 
The only thing you may notice is some of those under the hood changes
will result in greater visual consistency. Right now everything's a
grab bag of various theming and GUI implementation. In KDE5 the plan
is to render everything in the workspace the same way using the same
theming framework, so those jarring differences between different
components of the desktop will become a thing of the past. 
Also, disk and memory use will slightly improve for us KDE users, but
vastly improve for those folks using other environments, since instead
of a big old kdelibs they'll just need the libraries the app they want
uses. So soon your GNOME-using friends will have no excuse not to try
out awesome KDE app foo. ;-)
Finally, you didn't say it, but before anyone else does—a lot of
people seem to be worried that KDE is suddenly going to go all
touch-friendly and forget the desktop. This is not the case. As one
of the KDE core developers so elegantly puts:
"...we do not believe in the 'one interface that runs on both your
desktop and your tablet'. We believe in code reuse, in component-reuse
(and, where beneficial, drop-in-replacement), compatibility and
interoperability; but we also believe that a tablet interface and a
desktop interface are not, and should not, be the same thing. The use
cases and form factors are just too different.
"We have no plans of bastardizing Plasma Desktop into a watered-down
attempt at a tablet interface that also sort-of-makes-sense on a
laptop. We feel this only produces interfaces that perform OK but not
great on either kind of device. We want interfaces that work great on
each sort of device." 
So instead, KDE 5 will provide the ability to switch between various
Plasma shells instantly, even automatically when triggered by the
appearance of certain devices. You will be able to have a tablet with
an awesome Plasma Active touch-based interface, then plug a keyboard
and mouse into it and instantly get the full-featured Plasma desktop
you know and love. (And you'll still be able to turn that off and get
the desktop in tablet mode or Active in laptop mode if that's your
thing. KDE's legendary configurability isn't going anywhere either.)
There's really nothing to worry about. :-)
On 12/19/2013 11:01 AM, Syam Krishnan wrote:
> I managed to customize RHEL 6.5 (32-bit) DVD with KDE 4.11 RPMs
> (thanks to Rex Dieter et al).
> After installation, for the first login, I selected KDE. But then
> there's no way I can configure my network interface.
Use NetworkManager-gnome, aka nm-applet
CPU: 1.13GHz Piii
gfx: G400 AGP
22 installed operating systems across 2 PATA HDs
Not simple crashing, but crash triggering reboot!!!
I did a minimal HTTP F20 install, upgraded to F21, then added enough of Xorg
and KDE to get it to start with startx. The first few starts I forgot to
block kscreen and nepomuk from starting. Each start when painting looked
complete, I tried to configure the digital clock by adding seconds and
applying, whereupon I was returned to the login prompt. Only since setting
'Option "Composite" "Disable"' in xorg.conf*, kscreen autoload off in kdedrc,
start nepomuk false Used Soprano Backend null and autostart false for
nepomukstrigiservice in nepomukserverrc, and index hidden folders and index
newly mounted false in nepomukstrigirc, has crashing been avoided in F21.
IIRC, none other of the installed distros have been crashing at all, though
they've all had bling disabled for quite some time.
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I need to stop the kscreen kded module running for all my users becuase
it interacts badly with x2go.
I've achieved this by making a file /etc/kde/kdedrc with contents:
This seems to work fine for the first login of x2go. (I'm using a new
testing account). I confirmed that the kscreen service in system
settings -> Startup and Shutdown -> Service manager shows kscreen2 not
However, the Use checkbox is ticked for the kscreen2 service, and on the
next login the kscreen2 service is running and messing up my x2go session.
~/.kde/share/config/kdedrc now contains:
Can anyone explain please why the kscreen2 service is being switched
back on and how I can prevent this from happening?
Running F19/KDE. Recently, at times, when the apper icon appears on the taskbar to indicate updates are available I'll click on "Install Updates". The process runs and then the following appears in the Notifications....
The task was canceled successfully and no packages were changed.
Clicking on "Show Details" give slightly more information....
the script was killed as the action was canceled
Checking the yum.log shows all packages were updated and "yum update" indicates nothing to update.
Any suggestion as to how to debug or collect more info on what happened to generate the messages?
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johannbg(a)gmail.com) said:
> The DVD is releng/fesco responsibility, they dictate and decide
> what's on it and what not and how it's delivered not the
The KDE SIG has full access to change what gets installed when you
install from the DVD. If you're saying it's releng and FESCo's
responsibility to fix that, then as a releng and FESCo member, I'll fix it...
commit f349ff05510a1f60cb43470cb544d55136c837c3 (HEAD, f20)
Author: Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com>
Date: Fri Dec 13 12:22:39 2013 -0500
Drop KDE from the DVD, to avoid blocker bugs due to installed package set.
diff --git a/fedora-install-fedora.ks b/fedora-install-fedora.ks
index f1a767f..fd9f4e9 100644
@@ -73,13 +73,6 @@ dracut-*
@@ -111,7 +104,6 @@ dracut-*
@@ -139,8 +131,6 @@ autocorr-*
commit 833fdfaf7ec6a9588b1d51a11b9a2a9d956ab873 (HEAD, master)
Author: Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com>
Date: Fri Dec 13 12:25:13 2013 -0500
Drop KDE environment as an installation choice. Live media is the SIG-supported install method.
diff --git a/comps-f21.xml.in b/comps-f21.xml.in
index 66ff5c5..f462e58 100644
@@ -6200,34 +6200,6 @@
- <_name>KDE Plasma Workspaces</_name>
- <_description>The KDE Plasma Workspaces, a highly-configurable graphical user interface which includes a panel, desktop, system icons and desktop widgets, and many powerful KDE applications.</_description>
<_description>A lightweight desktop environment that works well on low end machines.</_description>
Ready to push whenever.
Now, I'm ASSuming they don't actually want that. But, to be clear: the
installation choices of the assorted desktops on the DVD/netinstall are the
provence of those SIGs. If they don't want to maintain them, we can absolutely
remove them, just as we'd do for any Spin that was not maintained or tested.
On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 00:44 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On fös 13.des 2013 20:42, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > So avoiding the grandstanding, I'd say FESCo probably is the arbiter of
> > 'what major groups do we put on the DVD?', but it's not FESCo's job to
> > micro-manage specifically what packages are in each group.
> No but it's their responsibility since it's *them* that manage the DVD (
> the dvd is not sub-communites product ) to deliver the *same* out of the
> box experience that the live does to match the expectations of the user
> as the sub-community has shown him through the deliverable they make.
So, let's rewind a bit and look at things. The main reason we have a
divergence is due to space on the live images.
Perhaps the simple thing to do going forward is bump KDE and GNOME to
2GB max sizes, so they both have space to include everything they
actually want in a default install in their live images, and then have
both those groups clean up comps and spin-kickstarts so that DVD
installs and live images contain the same package set from comps, then
maintain the package set in comps in future and only make package
changes in the kickstarts which for some reason absolutely have to be
changed on a live image (of which there shouldn't be many)? That should
make things cleaner and simpler all around. We could ditch the multiple
kickstarts that each desktop currently has; both KDE and desktop have
two kickstarts, ostensibly one that's CD sized and one that's
larger-than-CD-sized, but this has not really been what they are for
years. In fact, when Desktop finally gave up doing CD-sized lives,
instead of dropping fedora-livecd-desktop.ks , they just added a few
packages back to it and used *it* to build the 1GB live image. So now we
have fedora-livecd-desktop.ks which, despite its name, is not CD sized,
and fedora-live-desktop.ks , which was meant to be the 'ideal' desktop
live from which livecd-desktop.ks would just cut the necessary packages
to fit in a CD sized image, yet isn't actually used for anything...
anyhow, desktop and KDE teams: what do you think of this idea?
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I created a video showing how slow/difficult it is for a disabled person
(me) to type using an onscreen keyboard that is lacking. My hope is
that the open source gurus will code something better.
Any questions/comments let me know...
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