On the Fedora devel list, 2 days ago Jhordy M. Caceres Guerra brought up the old thread "Re-Launching the Java Sig" again (https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/...). Jhordy would like to contribute to Fedora Java. The offer has so far remained without response, as in so many other cases that I have read over the past months.
I would like to take this as an opportunity to discuss Fedora Java reorganization again here on the list.
Additionally, we had the standard invitation to the java-maint-sig meeting yesterday, scheduled for === tomorrow, 2021-09-16 15:00 UTC fedora-meeting-2@irclibera.chat. === This regular meeting schedule was not used for half a year or so. Maybe we can use it (more or less off-topic) for discussion of further development of Fedora Java. I’ll be lurking around.
=== Some details and proposals. ===
Fabio had come up with a plan composed of several steps to reorganize and revitalize the Fedora Java stack. Some of it is realized (e.g. the java-maint-sic), some not (e.g. update of the deprecated java-sig wiki page).
The biggest success is that with all the adversities in java packaging we have a stabilized Fedora Java core platform.
The next urgent step, in my opinion, is to update and improve information materials and documentation, followed by a community building process based on it.
I can offer to do the writing. I have already done that for the (successful) rebooting of the Fedora Server Working Group. But I needed support, information and ideas from the other sig members or people otherwise involved in Fedora Java, especially from the java-maint-sig that keeps the whole thing going. Otherwise, it makes no sense.
Some ideas about topics documentation/information material should cover
- what provides current java core stack (i.e. what is handled ( and guaranteed) by java-maint-sig) - (very) short description of what exactly are the issues with Fedora java packaging (maven, dependencies, no binary libs) - what are the current plans of java-maint-sig - what other software is available as Fedora package (if there is anything at all outside of java-maint-sig) - how to handle software whose packages have been removed - informal package sources (copr) - how install and configure third party software (general hints related to Fedora's way for Java) - for which tasks we are looking for contributors - how to proceed if you want to add a package or help with packaging
Of course, this list is in no way exhaustive or exclusive. Just a first guess.
Best Peter
Hello Peter, I would like to help but at this time isn't clear how. Can we start with the Kanban from Fabio (https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/java-package-maintainer-sig/kanban) and/or with the orphaned package list?
Hi Nicolas,
Am 03.10.2021 um 21:06 schrieb Nicolas De Amicis deamicis@bluewin.ch:
Hello Peter, I would like to help but at this time isn't clear how.
Thank you very much. I am very happy that you responded to my initiative.
Can we start with the Kanban from Fabio (https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/java-package-maintainer-sig/kanban) and/or with the orphaned package list?
I agree that there is an urgent need to compile a list of orphaned packages and perhaps evaluate them by categories, perhaps something like outdated/no active upstream – not necessarily needed – new maintainer desirable – compensable with third party rpms – alternative installation support desirable (e.b. Ansible) – new maintainer wanted (as just an idea, maybe not a reasonable one).
I'm missing a simple overview of what exactly has actually been lost so that a concept based on facts can be developed on how to deal with it in the future and exactly what Java interested parties could/should work on and what Fedora is offering (and that is far more than nothing IMHO).
Until we have a better way, perhaps the easiest one would be to use a subpage of the Java wiki and create an overview table or the pagure.io/java-sig repository issues system.
Best Peter
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