#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2014-05-08)
Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:02 UTC. The full logs are available at
* welcome starfighters (nirik, 18:00:02)
* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 18:01:30)
* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:18:51)
* Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 18:23:43)
* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:24:52)
* LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Bodhi2_Taskotron_2014
* Open Floor (nirik, 18:30:03)
Meeting ended at 18:32:05 UTC.
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* nirik (55)
* threebean (16)
* docent (11)
* ootbro (10)
* adimania (8)
* nj0y (8)
* zodbot (5)
* randomuser` (3)
* webpigeon (3)
* lmacken (2)
* danofsatx-work (2)
* abadger1999 (1)
* tflink (1)
* relrod (1)
* janeznemanic (1)
* mpduty (1)
* dgilmore (1)
* puiterwijk (0)
* smooge (0)
* mdomsch (0)
* pingou (0)
18:00:02 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2014-05-08)
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18:00:02 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
18:00:02 <nirik> #topic welcome starfighters
18:00:02 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch
threebean pingou puiterwijk
18:00:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
18:00:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou
puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean
18:00:42 <abadger1999> hola
18:00:49 <janeznemanic> hi
18:00:49 * tflink is lurking
18:00:52 * adimania is here
18:00:54 * threebean is here
18:00:56 * lmacken
18:00:58 * nj0y wink
18:00:58 * webpigeon waves
18:01:30 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks
18:01:47 <nirik> Any new folks like to introduce themselves? or apprentices with
questions, comments, suggestions?
18:02:18 <ootbro> I'll jump on the "apprentice" part.....
18:03:10 <ootbro> I'm still trying to get settled in to the Project, but I'm
trying to figure out how to proceed. The web site has helped some, but I think I'm
still missing an unknown something
18:03:38 <ootbro> If this is best for a one-on-one session off-line, I'm ok with
18:04:08 <nirik> well, we are pretty self driven for good or ill... so usually
it's best to find some task/ticket/issue and just start working on it... asking
questions along the way.
18:04:20 <nj0y> I worked on my ticket, syslog to webapps. some apps in ansible done.
I upload the patches to the ticket and ask for a commit :)
18:05:10 <ootbro> that helps a little.... thanks
18:05:39 <nirik> or watching things in our usual channels and chiming in offering to
help with something thats ongoing. ;) Sometimes that doesn't work because it needs
access, but sometimes you can pick up a fun task that way.
18:06:07 * docent is late
18:06:33 <nirik> thats the biggest problem we have onramping new folks I think...
the gap between being ready to work on something and not being clear on what to work on...
but I am not sure how to easily make it better. ;(
18:07:01 <threebean> ootbro: have you seen https:/fedoraproject.org/easyfix ?
18:07:28 <ootbro> let me think about that part, since I'm in the middle of
it.... see if I can come up with anything that can help onramp the newbies :D
18:07:34 <docent> nirik: afair Gnome project has some introduction tutorial.
Newcomers try first steps there and it has something to do with the project env
18:07:34 <mpduty> .fas mohanprakash
18:07:36 <zodbot> mpduty: mohanprakash 'Mohan Prakash'
18:08:03 <nirik> sure, we have some of that with our getting started wiki page and
infra-docs as well...
18:08:24 <dgilmore> hola
18:08:25 <ootbro> threebean: I glanced through the list, but haven't yet dove
into the details of the easyfixes
18:08:56 <docent> So maybe we could create some tutorial vm image where people could
resolve some simple tasks from list therefore they would learn something about our env.
not sure how to connect it with our env - maybe vm image with lxc containers simulating
our env? :)
18:09:05 <nirik> silly enhancement idea for easyfix: a 'give me a random
one'... ie, just click and it points you to a random specific one. ;)
18:09:33 <docent> nirik: but honestly I think that easyfix list is a good starting
point (did the job for me :P)
18:09:34 <webpigeon> docent: that would be cool
18:09:38 <ootbro> thanks all for the ideas
18:09:39 <nirik> docent: well, all our software is 100% free and open source. You
can make a local vm and install any of it you like. ;)
18:09:48 <threebean> heh, also, if someone wants to look into it, it could be cool
to adapt mozilla's "asknot" project for fedora ->
18:10:04 <nj0y> a system-landscape (pictures) would help. but is much efort
18:10:14 <nirik> threebean: interesting... hadn't seen that before.
18:10:47 <threebean> it's a neat one
18:11:12 <nirik> The gettingstarted page is also a bit long in the tooth. I might
try and revamp it and add some more info.
18:11:25 <ootbro> nj0y: the system-landscape is something I started thinking about
last week.... trying to figure out how FP is put together
18:11:39 <nj0y> mee too ;-)
18:11:45 <nj0y> ootbro
18:12:32 <ootbro> nirik: I think we're done beating this not-quite-dead horse
for the day..... but I will likely be back in touch with you by e-mail
18:12:43 <nirik> yeah... I'm happy to answer questions on that, but perhaps I
can try a addition to the gettingstarted page for you folks to look at?
18:12:45 <webpigeon> If you wanted to script it the hosts in ansible would be a good
18:13:00 <nirik> ootbro: sure. :)
18:13:13 <nirik> we have somewhat of a map in nagios...
18:13:53 <docent> nirik, webpigeon: so I think... I could poke around that VM - like
introduction env. That is some effort, but could be an interesting project..? E.g. create
some LXC containers, lists of tasks to be done (starting from something easy and later
introducing Ansible etc)..?
18:13:54 <nirik> anyhow, shall we move on? or anything further on this?
18:14:36 <nirik> docent: note that we currently don't use containers at all. ;)
18:15:07 <nirik> but we could someday.
18:15:35 <docent> nirik: oh that doesn;t matter - just for VM purposes (it's
easier to create containers on some Virtualbox machineso we have "rich"
18:16:01 <nirik> sure. Just saying there might be oddities related to that that we
might need to fix or clean up
18:16:24 <docent> nirik: it's only about people that would be able to ssh to
some boxes and resolve simple tasks. But if you think it's not a good idea than no
problem - as I said - easyfix list did job for me ;)
18:16:36 <nirik> a cool thing might be to make docker container setups for all our
apps. so someone could very easily run one locally.
18:17:03 <threebean> +1
18:17:06 <docent> nirik: ha yess :) already working on that
18:17:09 <threebean> that could be done one by one, too.
18:17:26 * relrod here, late, sorry
18:17:27 <nirik> well, I keep thinking it should be pretty easy for anyone to run
their own local vm's/containers... is that off base tho? do some folks have 0 access
to rhel/fedora locally?
18:17:53 <docent> yup, sound good
18:18:03 <nj0y> grab the image and run it localli does not seem a problem for me
18:18:12 <nj0y> *local
18:18:23 * adimania is having internet issues :(
18:18:35 <nirik> in the past for our apps I think we asked people to setup
virtualenvs... at least some of them.
18:18:47 <nirik> anyhow, I guess lets move along...
18:18:51 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion
18:19:06 <nirik> any application news this past week or upcoming?
18:19:18 <docent> But... there's that discussion about "LXC vs
Docker". I mean - it can be better for sysadmins to work on LXC with Ansible
playbooks in order to install some app env that using Dockerimage. Docekr has some odds
that make it not that good for development env.. nah - this is a neat discussion
18:19:50 * docent keeps quiet now ;)
18:20:15 <nirik> docent: yeah, containers are cool... but there's a bunch of
them. ;) Like I said, we haven't decided on any specific ones in infrastructure, still
waiting to see how the container wars shake out. ;)
18:20:16 <threebean> nothing new deployment-wise here.. just background
18:20:32 <nirik> yeah, seems like it was a pretty quiet week, which is great. ;)
18:20:49 <threebean> oh, at the end of last week we worked to audit and fix a
handful of Covert Redirect vulns
18:20:51 * threebean finds a link
18:21:24 <nirik> hurray. Thanks again for working on those so fast.
18:21:42 <nirik> oh, I have one thing I have been meaning to fix or bring up to get
someone else to fix:
18:22:30 <nirik> we have a cron job on log02 that pulls httpd logs from various app
servers. When they were in puppet we used a different naming scheme, so the cron is
failing. We need to adjust it to be the same as the old one in ansible or fix the cron
18:22:48 * nirik can file a ticket on it later today.
18:23:32 <nirik> ok, if no other apps news....
18:23:43 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion
18:23:54 * nirik looks for smooge... not around.
18:24:21 <nirik> I was out this week, so I didn't do much. ;)
18:24:52 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
18:24:53 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
18:24:55 <threebean> :D
18:25:00 <nirik> anything upcoming folks would like to note or schedule?
18:25:23 * threebean does the bodhi2 FAD dance
18:25:25 <threebean> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Bodhi2_Taskotron_2014
18:25:33 <nirik> looking forward to it. ;)
18:25:44 <nirik> any other details we need to lock down? or we are good?
18:25:47 <randomuser`> Sometime soon, i want to stand up the fedora docs backend,
and could probably use some help
18:26:10 <randomuser`> at least some benevolent second-guessing :)
18:26:10 <nirik> randomuser`: cool. I can try and assist with that.
18:26:10 <adimania> FUDCon APAC is happening in Beijing.
18:26:23 <threebean> this morning, lmacken mentioned something about unexpected
costs for the conference room... we'll work it out offline.
18:26:25 <adimania> I am trying to take an introductory session on Ansible
18:26:26 <randomuser`> nirik, thanks
18:26:26 <nirik> adimania: when is that again?
18:26:37 <adimania> 23 to 26 May.
18:26:57 <nirik> adimania: cool. Let me know if I can assist with slides or info or
anything for you...
18:27:13 <nirik> threebean: bummer. ok.
18:27:19 <adimania> I was wondering if I can do a puppet to Ansible migration there
as a demo.
18:27:28 <lmacken> threebean: they were expected, but we'll figure it out ;)
18:27:37 <adimania> Not as demo, more of a beginner workshop
18:27:56 <threebean> cool :P
18:27:57 <nirik> adimania: possibly. Not sure what will be pending right then thats
easy... but there might be something, we can look.
18:28:24 <adimania> sure. No problem.
18:29:01 <nirik> I agree that would be a nice workshop thing. ;)
18:30:03 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
18:30:04 * threebean has to duck out
18:30:11 <nirik> Any items for open floor?
18:30:53 * nirik listens to the quiet. :)
18:31:04 <nirik> ok, will close out in a minute then if nothing else.
18:31:14 <ootbro> I think I hear the crickets chirping :)
18:31:41 <danofsatx-work> wait, I was here
18:31:46 <danofsatx-work> really,I was/am
18:31:50 * nj0y cree cree
18:31:58 <nirik> :)
18:32:03 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone!
18:32:05 <nirik> #endmeeting