15:00 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Time for a
15:00 < mmcgrath> Who's here?
15:00 < abadger1999> I'm at the hootinanny of course!
15:00 * iWolf is here
15:00 * loupgaroublond is bored in class, so he's kibitzing the hootinanny
15:00 < mmcgrath> iWolf: welcome
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15:00 < mmcgrath> loupgaroublond: :)
15:00 < iWolf> mmcgrath: Thanks!
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15:01 < abadger1999> Hey Sopwith!
15:01 * lmacken is here
15:01 * nirik is in the rabble seats.
15:01 * skvidal is
15:01 < mmcgrath> ricky: ping
15:01 < mmcgrath> paulobanon: ping
15:01 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: ping
15:01 < mmcgrath> jima: ping
15:01 * dgilmore is here
15:01 < mmcgrath> warren: ping
15:01 < warren> pong
15:02 < f13> mmcgrath: pong.
15:02 < mmcgrath> anyone else I forgot: ping
15:02 < mmcgrath> Welcome everyone!
15:02 < mmcgrath> This is the first meeting we've really had since the F8
15:03 < mmcgrath> I'd like to take some time and solidify our goals for the F9
15:03 < f13> beer harder.
15:03 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Fedora 9 -
an infrastructure preview.
15:03 < warren> f13, Stacy took all the beer with him.
15:03 < mmcgrath> For those unfamiliar with the thread its:
15:03 < mmcgrath> .tiny
15:03 < mmcgrathbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/yu2jju
15:04 < mmcgrath> I saw some people add some things to that list that they'd
like to see, here's a preview as it stands right now... (this might take a bit)
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15:04 < Sopwith> /query abadger1999
15:04 < Sopwith> (sry)
15:05 < abadger1999> heh
15:05 < loupgaroublond> i can add a bit of advice to #2
15:05 < mmcgrath> Remove all FC6 boxes, separate test infrastructure, finalize
backup solution, system hardening and cleanup, further system replication, new torrent
server, new collaboration servers, move hosted out of PHX...
15:05 * warren wants to work on hosted.
15:05 < mmcgrath> FAS2 implementation, better ystems integration (bodhi, FAS, pkgdb,
koji, etc), less focus this time around on new systems...
15:05 * jima gets out of a meeting and stumbles into another one
15:06 < mmcgrath> SSL auth against apps, better integration with projects like OLPC
15:06 < mmcgrath> Ok, thats what I've got.
15:06 < mmcgrath> Anyone see anything obvious that I've missed?
15:06 < dgilmore> nope
15:06 < mmcgrath> we can always add stuff but these changes alone will keep us might
15:07 < dgilmore> thats alot of work :)
15:07 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: no doubt.
15:08 < mmcgrath> If there's no objections I'll get these bits added to the
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15:08 < mmcgrath> All in all F8 launch went very well except for the switch failing
which took PHX offline.
15:08 < mmcgrath> For F9 we should be able to completely mitigate any issues in PHX
related to distribution.
15:08 < mmcgrath> Even for the F8 launch we did not rely on
as it was not in the mirror list or public list.
15:09 < jima> are we going to relocate the services, or mirror them?
15:09 < dgilmore> do we have a list of phx based things that are ok if they go down
15:09 < mmcgrath> In fact the only thing that stopped us after the switch went down
15:09 < dgilmore> and then mirror everything else out
15:09 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: we don't but we need that, I'm actually working
on getting our services divided up into 4 sections.
15:09 < mmcgrath> 1) Buildsystem, 2) distribution 3) support and 4) value-added.
15:10 < mmcgrath> 3 would be like, the website for example and 4) would be
15:10 < skvidal> what's stuff ike FAS?
15:10 < mmcgrath> jima: we're actually just going to create duplicates in other
15:10 < mmcgrath> skvidal: support.
15:10 < dgilmore> skvidal: critical
15:10 < warren> FAS is needed by multiple parts...
15:10 < skvidal> mmcgrath: okay
15:10 < skvidal> that's what I figured
15:11 < mmcgrath> but each of those sections will also have subsections we can
15:11 < jima> mirrors/mm are distribution?
15:11 < mmcgrath> jima: well, the mirrorlist app in particular was the part that
failed, had we just had it installed in tummy.com
our users wouldn't have even noticed
15:11 < mmcgrath> its designed PERFECTLY for that purpose actually.
15:11 < warren> in two parts
15:12 < warren> management and serving
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15:12 < mmcgrath> warren: yeah, and we can handle the management portion being down
for a while, the serving piece needs to be HA, and since it keeps its own cache on each
app server, if we lose access to the primary DB it'll continue working.
15:13 < mmcgrath> One of the bigger projects this time around is going to be FAS2.
15:13 * paulobanon is here but going home now
15:13 < mmcgrath> its actually been very close for a long time, but we started
looking at migration too late in the F8 process where the dev's and releng really need
to have a solid environment.
15:13 < jima> yeah
15:14 < f13> we appreciated that (:
15:14 < mmcgrath> :)
15:14 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: are we going to replicate ldap across a few datacantres
15:14 < dgilmore> centres
15:14 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: we will to at least two places, though for the initial
rollout we're going to duplicate what we have now.
15:14 < mmcgrath> with each box downloading their own copy of the stuff.
15:15 < mmcgrath> once we're solid with the ldap infrastructure we'll start
looking to migrating actual shell acounts to use ldap directly.
15:15 * skvidal cringes
15:15 < skvidal> really?
15:15 < skvidal> it's been my experience that the reliability of nss_ldap is
15:15 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: ok the FDS guys just announced the first beta of FDS
1.1 and RDS 8
15:15 < warren> mmcgrath, might it be more reliable to keep our replicated-like
15:16 < dgilmore> skvidal: ive used it for 3 or 4 years now
15:16 < mmcgrath> skvidal: yeah, if the infrastructure is solid enough we really
should. We have a lot of sub issues that ocme about from our current setup (people trying
to ssh in and not having accounts right away then getting locked out by deny hosts, etc)
15:16 < skvidal> dgilmore: so have I and it full of hurk - esp if you turn on nscd
15:16 < abadger1999> replicated is a pain though... (one-two hour sync time, etc)
15:16 < dgilmore> skvidal: yeah i never use ncsd
15:16 < mmcgrath> If we find that our ldap setup is not reliable enough to use then
we'll continue using what we have, but in the meantime this "syncs at the top of
the hour stuff" is not good form.
15:17 < skvidal> so do it more often?
15:17 < mmcgrath> its confusing to people and once we actually have LDAP up and
running, there's a viable solution to it.
15:17 < skvidal> it's not like the data is heavy
15:17 < dgilmore> abadger1999: the fds replication is quick
15:17 < mmcgrath> skvidal: thats an option as well. I'd prefer not to have a
sync if we don't have to, we'll have to discuss this again once FAS2 ships so we
can look at it.
15:17 < skvidal> well, we're syncing _something_ no matter what
15:18 < abadger1999> dgilmore: Sorry. I was talking about our current
15:18 < skvidal> the issue is how transparent fixing it is b/t the two situations
15:18 < dgilmore> abadger1999: :) ok
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15:18 < mmcgrath> Yep.
15:18 < mmcgrath> anywho, that will be something we need to talk about when the time
15:18 < skvidal> nod
15:18 < f13> how much of the freeipa stuff would apply?
15:19 < mmcgrath> In the meantime ricky is point man on FAS2.
15:19 < dgilmore> f13: not sure
15:19 < f13> and could we get their help in using us as a real world usage case?
15:19 < mmcgrath> f13: on initial rollout none, but prior to other changes we can
certainly look at it.
15:19 < skvidal> f13: freeipa is NOT ready yet
15:19 < mmcgrath> IIRC FAS2 is very close to having OpenID support ready as well.
15:19 < f13> skvidal: yet.
15:19 < skvidal> at least from what Iv'e seen so far
15:19 < mmcgrath> f13: can you give us a quick rundown of this release? It seems
that F9 alpha is very very close, when would be your prefered time frame for the
switchover to FAS2?
15:20 < f13> F9 alpha should be pretty light in infrastructure. It's not a full
freeze, just a nonblocking releng freeze
15:20 < f13> it'll be mostly business as usual.
15:20 < f13> We could do FAS2 between alpha and beta if you need that much time.
15:20 * skvidal has to jet - back after a while
15:20 < mmcgrath> skvidal: solid
15:21 < mmcgrath> f13: thats what I was thinking as well. Probably hugging just
after the alpha.
15:21 < jwb> FAS2?
15:21 < mmcgrath> jwb: Fedora Account System 2.
15:21 < jwb> apparently i'm totally missing where this is being discussed
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15:22 < mmcgrath> we're discussing it here now, and in #fedora-admin or
15:22 < mmcgrath> really though there's not much more to say on it for the
meeting though :)
15:22 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything they'd like to discuss for the F9 release
(either in process or in new features they'd like to have) ?
15:23 < mmcgrath> Ok, we'll move on then.
15:23 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Serverbeach
15:23 * jwb once again confuses -meeting with -devel because of xchat tab reordering
15:24 < mmcgrath> As many of you know we've had 5 serverbeach servers given to
us and we're working out some specifics but they should be ready soon.
15:24 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: how have we done with xen bridges
15:24 < mmcgrath> We've got it setup so that we can do xen guests on them though
its in a fairly complex way. It will be included in the kickstart SOP I'm writing.
15:24 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: warren had said they dont allow it
15:24 < warren> they wont allow the normal one
15:24 < warren> normal way
15:24 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: its not that they do or don't allow it, its that in
their network setup it doesn't work.
15:25 < warren> mmcgrath, you did it with private bridging + NAT?
15:25 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: fun
15:25 < warren> mmcgrath, so you already found a solution?
15:25 < warren> don't need me?
15:25 * warren is sad.
15:26 < mmcgrath> For example, serverbeach2 has an IP address of 22.214.171.124 and
when we requested additional IP addresses we were given 126.96.36.199.
15:26 < mmcgrath> warren: sorry :) I do think we have a good solution though.
15:26 < warren> mmcgrath, it is standard procedure for them to give IP's on a
15:26 < mmcgrath> the problem with the 188.8.131.52/24 network is that it does not
have a default gateway. Each ip given to is is given a static route through
15:26 * ricky is here (darn you, DST!)
15:26 < warren> mmcgrath, I don't mind that you figured out your own solution,
but I knew how to do it way back and I feel like I've been ignored.
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15:27 < mmcgrath> So in order to give 184.108.40.206 access to the internet we have to
give our xen dom0 an IP in that range
15:27 < mmcgrath> warren: we just didn't want to have to maintain a natpool for
each host. this way is a two cli method and then there's no further upkeep required,
even when we add additional machines.
15:28 < warren> mmcgrath, I had to do all of this months ago so I was fully aware of
what was needed. I could have given you sample configurations and had it up and running
in less than an hour with reproducible documentation.
15:28 < mmcgrath> sorry, didn't mean to ignore you, we were just looking at the
nat solution as last resort.
15:28 < warren> mmcgrath, uh, that's exactly what I did.
15:28 < mmcgrath> warren: you used nat?
15:28 < MrBawb> why not use proxy arp and local routing?
15:28 < warren> mmcgrath, well, didn't hear your full explanation yet.
15:29 < warren> mmcgrath, you didn't even give me a chance to setup a demo on
one unused box.
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15:29 < mmcgrath> warren: sorry, we were just busy with stuff. The solution we came
up with is:
15:29 < mmcgrath> ifconfig eth0:1 220.127.116.11 netmask 255.255.255.0; route add -net
18.104.22.168/24 gw 22.214.171.124 eth0
15:29 < warren> mmcgrath, essentially my solution has each IP on dom0 but each guest
behaves as if it owns that IP, without their network seeing the fake IP's.
15:29 < mmcgrath> is that the same as yours?
15:30 < warren> err... fake MAC's
15:30 < warren> mmcgrath, wait, how do the xen guests use that interfacE?
15:31 < warren> you're only so far describing how it works on dom0
15:31 < mmcgrath> don't need to, the dom0 does it. The xen guests are still
bridged, they're just contacting that IP as their gateway, the dom0 OS itself handles
the routing and the static routing in place on the routers at SB handle the rest. Since
its transparent to the xen guests, we can just add more without having to make any changes
to the dom0
15:32 < mmcgrath> which makes it handy because the documentation is exactly the same
for creating a domU inside serverbeach or inside PHX.
15:32 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: sounds good
15:32 < warren> mmcgrath, is there a xen host I can ssh into to see how it is
15:32 < warren> or is this documented?
15:32 < warren> OK, this setup is different
15:32 < mmcgrath> serverbeach2. I'm still writing the documentation.
15:33 < mmcgrath> serverbeach2.fedoraproject.org
15:33 < warren> mmcgrath, still, I don't appreciate being ignored when I had a
similar solution to this.
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15:34 < mmcgrath> warren: sorry, I had just assumed you were using nat which was
something we knew would work but not something we wanted to have to maintain, it'd
make documentation and troubleshooting more difficult.
15:34 < mmcgrath> warren: serverbeach2.fedoraproject.org
is up as is its domU at
15:35 < mmcgrath> though its domU guest isn't in puppet yet :-/
15:35 < mmcgrath> ok, lets move on for now.
15:35 < warren> I was even loudly suggesting serverbeach a year ago for this same
purpose, knowing the limitations we would face, and when we finally do it I'm kept out
of the design.
15:35 < warren> ok, move on
15:35 < dgilmore> warren: lets move on
15:36 < mmcgrath> The other server we're still working on getting is the new
Dell in our Frankfurt colo.
15:36 < mmcgrath> Its ordered (has been for over 2 months now)
15:36 < mmcgrath> but its been lost in Dell for a little bit, I think thats been
figured out just as of yesterday though I haven't heard an ETA on delivery.
15:37 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: we have half a rack there?
15:37 < mmcgrath> I'm hoping to find funding to fill the frankfurt colo for our
15:37 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: yeah, half rack.
15:37 < mmcgrath> and donated remote hands.
15:37 < mmcgrath> so thats going to be a solid location for us I believe.
15:37 < mmcgrath> Anywho, thats where we are expanding at present.
15:37 < mmcgrath> Speaking of expansion.......
15:38 < jima> be a shame if a bladecenter fell into that half rack ;)
15:38 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Koji share
15:38 < mmcgrath> f13: ping
15:39 < f13> yep
15:39 < mmcgrath> f13: did the last GC ever run?
15:39 < mmcgrath> we're at 91%
15:39 < f13> mmcgrath: I haven't heard from mikem sadly, silly paternaty leave
15:39 < f13> I'll ping him via email to see if we can get a response outof him
15:40 < mmcgrath> f13: lets just say that the next gc takes us from 90% to 91%.
What steps are we going to take?
15:40 < f13> (I had asked for the information on how to do it myself but I
didn't get anything)
15:40 < mmcgrath> We can hope that people won't be coding and building as much
over the holidays but that sounds foolish to me ;)
15:40 * warren gets more done during holidays
15:41 < f13> mmcgrath: We can start taking durastic measures like removing all the
fe7-merge stuff that isn't latest in an active tag
15:41 < f13> er wait
15:41 < f13> hrm.
15:41 < f13> mmcgrath: did you get the whatever submitted to oracle yet?
15:42 < mmcgrath> f13: I still don't have my access back, spevack is working on
15:42 < mmcgrath> spevack: ^^^ BTW :)
15:42 < mmcgrath> f13: I seriously doubt that we'll have a solution ready by the
end of the year.
15:42 < warren> spevack, unless you enjoy the silence of the buildsystem. =)
15:42 < mmcgrath> Its going to have to be done on or two the koji share at some
15:44 < f13> wha?
15:44 < mmcgrath> f13: if it gets to the point where the koji share fills up and we
can't build anymore do we have options to further purge stuff, even if it results in
the loss of tagged packages?
15:44 < f13> We might be able to prune more signed packages, things that have
already been shipped and could be re-created in koji, the signed copy doesn't need to
continue to exist.
15:44 < f13> yes, we have some more pruning options.
15:44 < mmcgrath> k.
15:45 < mmcgrath> I'm going to hope for the best but it might come to that, the
koji share grows, it grows!
15:45 < f13> yeah
15:45 < warren> mmcgrath, setup big red buttons
15:45 * mmcgrath could use many big red buttons.
15:45 < mmcgrath> ok, we'll move to the next thing.
15:46 < jima> which is...? :)
15:46 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Tickets
15:46 < mmcgrath> .tiny
15:46 < mmcgrathbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/yth34b
15:46 < mmcgrath> .ticket 154
15:46 < mmcgrathbot> mmcgrath: #154 (DNS) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac
15:46 < mmcgrath> The DNS stuff is coming along (this is the vpn.fedoraproject.org
stuff) we need to add a few more hosts, its basically blocking on a rebuild of cvs-int.
15:46 < mmcgrath> .ticket 192
15:46 < mmcgrathbot> mmcgrath: #192 (Netapp low on free space) - Fedora
Infrastructure - Trac
15:47 < mmcgrath> We already talked about that.
15:47 < mmcgrath> .ticket 222
15:47 < mmcgrathbot> mmcgrath: #222 (sysctl on the proxy servers) - Fedora
Infrastructure - Trac
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15:47 < mmcgrath> It seems the sysctl setup we have now works well, I'm going to
commit those changes to puppet soon and make it part of our default setup for externally
15:47 < mmcgrath> So thats it on those.
15:47 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor
15:47 < f13> mmcgrath: I just found some more space to clear off the koji store
15:48 < mmcgrath> f13: clear it!
15:48 < f13> I just did
15:48 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss for this
15:48 < f13> what is the cacti link again?
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15:48 * warren throws cacti at f13
15:48 < mmcgrath> .tiny
15:48 < mmcgrathbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/25pnep
15:49 < jwb> what is the point of .tiny??
15:49 < jima> makes it easier to copy/paste, i imagine
15:49 < ricky> It'd be cool to integrate with .ticket :)
15:49 < mmcgrath> f13: am I correct in assuming that the GC stuff that has been
implemented is going to be an on-going ad-hoc thing? There's not a monthly job or
15:50 < f13> mmcgrath: it's supposed to be an automated job that runs daily or
15:50 < mmcgrath> jwb: what jima said, some people are in terminals (like me) big
url's get annoying.
15:50 -!- knurd is now known as knurd_afk
15:50 < f13> throwing stuff in trash as it goes, emptying out stuff that's been
in trash for a timeout period
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15:50 < mmcgrath> ahh, I'm mistaken then.
15:50 < mmcgrath> keep me in the loop if you get ahold of Mike.
15:50 < f13> so we'd just see continual small amounts cleaned, and an overall
15:50 < f13> nod
15:51 < J5> hey guys, abadger1999 suggested I let you guys know what I am working
on. Let me know if there is a break where I can start babbling
15:51 < f13> we've got 235G free now
15:51 < jwb> mmcgrath, gnome terminal can open links
15:51 < jwb> anyway, i'll shut up
15:51 * mmcgrath doesn't always have these meetings in X.
15:51 < mmcgrath> J5: you can start babbling now. Open floor.
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15:52 < J5> ok, so I just put up a wiki page for reference
15:52 < mmcgrath> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MyFedora
15:52 * mmcgrath had troubles with wiki.fp.o
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15:53 < J5> I am working on integration of all of fedora's resources to make our
developer community more efficent
15:53 < dgilmore> J5: :)
15:53 < mmcgrath> J5: you're talking about number 10) in our F9 target -
15:53 < warren> J5, sounds like beginning to tie all the pieces together like Ubuntu
has done with launchpad?
15:54 < J5> this includes talking to all of you guys as well as throwing ideas out
and implementing some of theose ideas
15:54 < J5> warren: I'm thinking way beyond launchpad but that is a start
15:54 < jwb> J5, we should call your effort futopia
15:54 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: #10 definitely has a place in this but J5's ideas
go beyond it too.
15:54 < mmcgrath> J5: for developers or for users as well.
15:54 < J5> mmcgrath: developers first then users
15:55 < J5> I want to integrate upstream also
15:55 * f13 spots a big glaring problem (:
15:55 < mmcgrath> f13: ?
15:55 < f13> J5: just an fyi and something to think about, THe packages that are
'released' with say F9, don't show up in the bodhi list
15:56 < J5> http://fedorapeople.org/~johnp/fedora_package_maint.pdf
is the large
15:56 < mmcgrath> bah, thats implementation.
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15:56 < f13> mmcgrath: sure, that's why its an fyi
15:56 < J5> f13: that is taken into account - just show the last build :)
15:56 < J5> the idea is that information comes from a number of sources but is
consolidated into common views
15:57 < mmcgrath> J5: well I, for one, am generally for this idea, If you're
interested in moving forward with it, please create a ticket
with the links and
information you just sent us. That way we can keep the discussion in one spot.
15:57 < ricky> Sounds very cool :)
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15:57 < J5> will do
15:58 < mmcgrath> Ok, anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss?
15:58 < lmacken> J5: this also encompasses the 'amber' project that rnorwood
has been working on
15:58 < mmcgrath> J5: FYI, you can also do
15:59 < mmcgrath> Ok, anyone else have anything to bring up, we're almost out of
15:59 < J5> so I see myself as a facilitator here. There are a lot of projects with
a lot of steam and I don't want to slow them down. So we have this one integration
point where we can also discuss common goals.
16:00 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: FYI: I think that scratch builds are going to start
being used in reviews and such.
16:00 < mmcgrath> J5: lets chat about this after the meeting in #fedora-admin if you
have a moment.
16:00 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: Ugh, can we *not* do that until January?
16:00 < J5> sounds good
16:00 < f13> mmcgrath: 238G free now
16:01 < warren> Let's not do that until we have more storage
16:01 < warren> we're near critical now
16:01 < f13> abadger1999: "start"? scratch buidls have been used in
revies for a while, it' sjust not well advertised
16:01 < f13> scratch buidls do automatically get pruned though
16:01 < mmcgrath> f13: you freed up 44G earlier.
16:01 < abadger1999> f13: yeah -- I mean "much more widely publicized"
16:01 < f13> mmcgrath: yes, I found some trees in rel-eng/ that didn't need to
be there anymore.
16:01 < f13> currently scratch/ is only taking up 5 g
16:01 < f13> 5.7 to be precise.
16:02 < mmcgrath> f13: weren't a bunch of them recently purged though?
16:02 < f13> mmcgrath: scratch builds are autopruned by internal koji processes
16:02 < mmcgrath> Though I suppose we can purge them again.
16:02 < mmcgrath> f13: ahh, k. that I didn't know. Whats the algorithm?
16:02 < f13> not entirely sure
16:03 < f13> I think they're kept for a week
16:03 < mbonnet> mmcgrath: anything older than 30 days
16:03 < mbonnet> but we can crank that down if we want
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16:03 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: I don't know if there's anything we can do
about it but at this point I'm generally against encouraging anyone to build anything
on our buildsystem.
16:03 < f13> ah 30
16:03 < abadger1999> heh :-)
16:04 < mmcgrath> we'll leave it at 30 for now if its only 5G, but its good to
know we can crank that down.
16:04 < abadger1999> mbonnet: Maybe we should watch the size of scratch and if it
grows, turn it down? I think a week is reasonable for scratch builds (people should be
copying the files out to other storage if they want it longer.)
16:04 < spevack> mmcgrath, warren: i'm on it
16:05 < mmcgrath> spevack: rock, thanks.
16:05 < mmcgrath> ok, we can discuss the rest of this stuff in #fedora-admin,
we're running over :)
16:05 < mmcgrath> anyone else have anything to discuss?
16:05 < mmcgrath> if not I'll close in 30
16:05 < mmcgrath> 15
16:05 < mbonnet> oh, no, I take it back, it is 7 days
16:06 < mbonnet> it's in /etc/cron.d/koji-scratch-cleanup
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16:06 < mbonnet> on koji.fp.o
16:06 < mmcgrath> mbonnet: good to know, thanks :)
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16:06 < f13> mbonnet: makes sense, I only see builds as far back as the 21st
16:06 < spevack> mmcgrath: i've given my "approval" to helpdesk. Why
they needed it is beyond me :)
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16:06 < mmcgrath> spevack: I want to know why it was removed in the first place, it
came at a terrible time :(
16:06 * spevack wishes he could just sign something that says "if mmcgrath asks for
something, give it to him" :)
16:06 < mmcgrath> Anywho, thank everyone for coming!
16:06 < ricky> Thanks a lot!
16:07 * mmcgrath requires a Fabergé egg.
16:07 < spevack> mmcgrath: let's get it reinstated, and then we'll find out
why it disappeared
16:07 < ricky> By the way, with the DST change, I won't be able to make the
first 10 minutes or so for most meetings :(
16:07 < ricky> Whoops, I mean 20 minutes :(
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