Genshi works reliably for us, I'm with just saying that we keep
if needs changes, it's our job to make those changes, which will
hopefully kickstart (pun not intended) a new community to develop
Darren L. VanBuren
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 13:38, Luke Macken<lmacken(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> ----- "Stephen John Smoogen"<smooge(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Luke Macken<lmacken(a)redhat.com>
>>> The future of Genshi is currently in question...
>>> We currently rely on the Genshi templating engine for:
>>> * all static fedoraproject.org
sites are compiled down to HTML
>> from Genshi
>>> * Elections
>>> * FAS
>>> * PackageDB
>>> * Smolt
>>> * Trac (which will be switching to Jinja2 in the next release)
>>> It's also worth noting that Bodhi& Mirrormanager still rely on
>> the unmaintained precursor to Genshi.
>>> Quoting upstream:
>>> Yes, my interests have mostly shifted elsewhere. I still believe
>> that both Babel and Genshi are worth being further maintained and
>> enhanced, and I'm still interested to actually do the work, but
>> obviously I'm not able to allot anywhere enough spare time to that
>> task right now. What's more, I've unforunately been unable to attract
>> other developers to contribute significantly to either code base, let
>> alone build a strong community. That's not to say that I consider
>> either project end-of-life. I still use them for my own stuff. But I'm
>> the pretty much the single point of failure for both projects, and
>> I've been failing badly and consistently at maintaining/enhancing them
>> for some time now. Sorry.
>>> I agree that adoption of Jinja2 should be considered, it's become a
>> very solid templating solution, and comes with both more momentum and
>> better performance than Genshi. But I'm not sure how a gradual
>> transition could work. As Noah said, you can't switch some of the most
>> important pages to Jinja and still support stream filters. Or site
>> templates using match templates for advanced customization. You'll
>> also need to rethink parts of the internationalization story, I
>>> If there's going to be another template engine switch, I think it's
>> going to hurt. But it might just be worth it.
>>> So, what are our options?
>>> 1) Find contributors that are willing and able to help sustain this
>> project upstream
>>> 2) Stay on Genshi and rely on the Fedora/EPEL maintainers to fix
>> bugs as they are filed
>>> 3) Try and utilize http://pypi.python.org/pypi/chameleon.genshi
>> instead, which is supposed to be able to run Genshi templates faster
>> than Genshi can.
>>> (Note: TG2 was going to support this engine, but apparently it
>> needs a bit more work. It may still be worth looking into, though.)
>>> 4) Port to another templating engine (Jinja2, Mako, etc)
>>> We obviously have a vested interest in keeping this project alive,
>> so #1 is ideal.
>>> Porting will require a bit of effort. The TurboGears2 port of bodhi
>> that I'm working on will use the Mako templating engine (which is
>> actively maintained by the SQLAlchemy author). However, it seems
>> we've taken the #2 route with Kid for the past 5 years, and I've had
>> zero issues with it.
>>> There was talk at PyCon this year about changing the TurboGears2
>> default templating engine to Mako. The only reason not to for 2.0 was
>> to ease the 1.0->2.0 transition. However, everyone I spoke to was in
>> favor of switching the defaults in 2.1.
>> Looking at the options and other parts.. I think staying with Genshi
>> for the most part would be our 'best' bet. If someone is really
>> motivated or if we are doing a huge code change in something then
>> maybe it would be attractive for changing.
> Yeah, I agree. This issue has caused a lot of discussion today, and there are
definitely a lot of people out there that care about Genshi
> and some have even stepped up and are willing to help support& maintain it. I
also see some milestone activity on my upstream tickets happening today.
> So, Genshi is definitely not dead -- it just needed a swift kick in the ass :)
I would be more than happy to take up Genshi if needed, having used
Genshi for college projects for fedora websites and a lot more things, I
dont want to let it go away easy. I have been taking talks on Genshi
too, and if I let it go away easy I would miss something I really love.
If anyone is interested together we can probably take up the ownership
and make fedora as the new upstream for Genshi.