20:00 < mmcgrath> #startmeeting
20:00 < zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 1 20:00:14 2009 UTC. The chair is mmcgrath. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:01 < ricky> Clearly, nobody noticed because the "m" was lowercased :-)
20:01 < mmcgrath> Who all is here?
20:01 < mmcgrath> #topic Who is here
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20:01 * ricky
20:01 * bochecha is around
20:01 < Ccielogs> I am :)
20:01 * a-k is here
20:01 < Ccielogs> #info
20:02 * mdomsch somewhat
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20:02 * abadger1999 here
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20:03 < leemwilliams> thought I'd stop by ;)
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20:03 < mmcgrath> Ok, lets get started
20:03 < mmcgrath> #topic Change Freeze
20:03 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Change Freeze
20:03 < mmcgrath> Just a reminder...
20:03 < mmcgrath> we are change frozen!
20:03 * thekadafk is hanging for a minute before heading out to eat
20:03 < mmcgrath> Check the list for directions on knowing whether or not something can be changed.
20:04 * nirik is sorta kind here in the back.
20:04 < mmcgrath> Any questions on that?
20:04 < mmcgrath> Ok, so next topic
20:04 < mmcgrath> #topic The Beta Release
20:04 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: The Beta Release
20:04 < mmcgrath> Lets get some tickets together.
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20:05 < mmcgrath> First ticket is the new website
20:05 < mmcgrath> ricky: you on that one as usual?
20:06 < ricky> Yup, and other websites people have been helping a lot more with the release stuff too
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20:06 < mmcgrath> ricky: ok, go ahead and accept
20:06 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1709
20:06 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1709 (f12-beta website) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1709
20:07 < mmcgrath> Anyone with access already want to get
20:07 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1710
20:07 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1710 (Verify Mirror Space) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1710
20:07 < mmcgrath> Ok, I'll go ahead and take that one.
20:08 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1711
20:08 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1711 (Release day ticket) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1711
20:08 < mmcgrath> that's a release day ticket, just a tracking one. I'll accept that one.
20:08 < mmcgrath> smooge: you around?
20:09 < mmcgrath> k, next ticket is
20:09 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1712
20:09 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1712 (verify releng permissions) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1712
20:09 < smooge> I am here
20:09 < mmcgrath> This is to verify we don't accidentally leak permissions
20:09 < mmcgrath> smooge: hey do you want some of these beta tickets?
20:09 < smooge> mmcgrath, sorry I went to get my theraflu
20:09 < mmcgrath> 1710 and 1712 would be good ones.
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20:09 < smooge> I will take them
20:09 < mmcgrath> smooge: k, go ahead and accept them.
20:09 < smooge> 09,10,11, and 12?
20:10 < smooge> or just 10 and 12?
20:10 < mmcgrath> just 10 and 12
20:10 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1713
20:10 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1713 (MM Redirects) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1713
20:10 < smooge> thanks.. doing so
20:10 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: you want to get this one?
20:10 < mdomsch> sure
20:11 < mdomsch> though if the release number is 11.9 it's done
20:11 < mmcgrath> :)
20:11 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: k, if it's already done go ahead and close that ticket.
20:11 < mdomsch> done
20:11 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1714
20:11 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1714 (Infrastructure Change Freeze) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1714
20:11 < mmcgrath> this one is in place already
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20:12 < mmcgrath> Ok then
20:12 < mmcgrath> here's the page - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report/9
20:13 < mmcgrath> That look reasonable to everyone?
20:14 < smooge> one sec
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20:15 < smooge> looks good.
20:15 < mmcgrath> Ok
20:15 < mmcgrath> so now the thing that, at present, isn't looking so hot....
20:15 < mmcgrath> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/milestone/Fedora%2012
20:15 < mmcgrath> So lets go through these.
20:16 < mmcgrath> mchua: ping
20:16 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: ping
20:17 < smooge> wow thats a lot of tickets
20:17 < mmcgrath> smooge: yeah, especially this late in the game.
20:17 < smooge> I read that as Fedora 2012.. was wondering why we were doing Mayan calender DOOOM
20:17 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: ping
20:17 < mmcgrath> ricky: ping
20:18 < ricky> A lot of the websites ones are are tracking that probably shouldn't have been given those milestones
20:18 * mmcgrath wonders where everyoen is.
20:18 < mmcgrath> ricky:
20:18 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1299
20:18 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1299 (Getting a Fedora 10 test server up.) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1299
20:18 * skvidal is right here
20:18 < skvidal> I'm just ducking out
20:18 < smooge> Fedora 10 server?
20:18 < mmcgrath> ricky: that one's assigned to you, can it be closed?
20:18 < ricky> More specifically it was for a 32 bit one, which I haven't had any success with :-(
20:19 < mmcgrath> k
20:19 < ricky> If you/susmit still want to test that calendar app, then it probably shouldn't be closed yet
20:19 < mmcgrath> will it be done by F12?
20:20 < mmcgrath> ggruener: ping?
20:20 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: ping
20:20 < ricky> I can try building on different machines if necessary, so yes, unless the 32 bit issue I ran into applies *everywhere*
20:20 < mmcgrath> ricky: k, lets try
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20:21 < ricky> I believe ibiblio1 was the only place I tried previously
20:21 < mmcgrath> ricky: do you know anyone that can work on
20:21 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1227
20:21 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1227 (Hosting footer) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1227
20:21 < mmcgrath> ?
20:22 < mmcgrath> lmacken: ping
20:22 < mmcgrath> ianweller: ping
20:22 < mdomsch> the MM hotfixes I'll handle after change freeze
20:22 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: <nod>
20:23 < mdomsch> 1079 (icecast) may change after the Fedora Talk FAD
20:23 < mmcgrath> Oxf13: ping
20:23 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: yeah that one probably will end up at F13 final.
20:23 < mdomsch> most of those others aren't required for F12
20:24 < mmcgrath> Ok, so this is going nowhere fast. I'm going to move on in the meeting and continue this on list
20:24 < mmcgrath> anyone have any issues with that?
20:24 < mdomsch> +1
20:24 < smooge> +1
20:24 < mmcgrath> alllrighty
20:25 < mmcgrath> #topic New Apps Testing "matrix"
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20:25 < mmcgrath> so one thing we've been laxed on is having a good way of testing applications that get deployed.
20:25 < mmcgrath> this is both a technical hurdle and a policy one.
20:25 < mmcgrath> So I've been putting together some scripts with pythoh mechanize.
20:25 < mmcgrath> .tiny http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-infrastructure.git/?p=fedora-infra...
20:25 < zodbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/yeocsvz
20:26 < ggruener> mmcrath:pong
20:26 < ggruener> sorry im currently at work
20:26 < mmcgrath> ggruener: hey, I was wondering the status of ticket 1549 but we're going to take it to the list anyway :)
20:26 < mmcgrath> So I've created a small testing script for mirrormanger and FAS.
20:26 * mdomsch bows
20:26 < mmcgrath> my hope is that these will continue to evolve over time and get used every time we do an update, etc, etc.
20:26 < mmcgrath> any time we miss something, it gets added to the script. We won't miss it again.
20:27 < mmcgrath> it's actually not terribly difficult to use. The python code is messy because it's very 'step 1, step 2, step 3'
20:27 < mmcgrath> but it's pretty easy to see what's going on there.
20:27 < mmcgrath> also I'm trying to do a good job of incorperating not just 'does it work or 500' but also including baseline performance data for comparison.
20:28 < mmcgrath> Anyone have any questions or comments on those?
20:29 < mmcgrath> 'mmm kay
20:29 < mmcgrath> #topic Cumulus!
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20:29 < mmcgrath> So the Fedora cloud stuff (code named cumulus) sort of went live(ish) this week.
20:29 < mmcgrath> we've got people
20:29 < mmcgrath> they have guests.
20:29 < mmcgrath> they're using them, and AFAIK, they're still being used.
20:29 < mmcgrath> ianweller: how's your guest been?
20:30 < Jeff_S> mmcgrath: where can I read more about cumulus?
20:31 < mmcgrath> Jeff_S: this is about all we have documented atm - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/FedoraCloud
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20:31 < mmcgrath> unfortunately the web interface is just not general public ready at this time.
20:31 < Jeff_S> thanks
20:31 < mmcgrath> still buggy and not really useful without root on the server for troubleshooting.
20:32 < mmcgrath> but still, people have their guests :)
20:32 < mmcgrath> Anyone have any questions on that?
20:32 < mmcgrath> Jeff_S: also the SOP - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Cloud_Infrastructure_SOP
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20:33 < mmcgrath> Allrighty
20:33 < mmcgrath> #topic Open Floor
20:33 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Open Floor
20:33 < mmcgrath> I'm opening the floor
20:33 < mmcgrath> does anyone have anything they'd like to discuss?
20:33 < smooge> was thinking of using his cloud for cracking DES passwords
20:33 < mmcgrath> Any new people around that'd like to say hi?
20:33 < smooge> not really
20:33 < smooge> hi to the new people
20:33 < ggruener> mmcgrath: about the ticket 1549 I am still thinking how can I create this test that i avoid to test only cvs
20:33 < abadger1999> Anyone know if we have electionscoming up?
20:33 < leemwilliams> yep, I'm new thought I'd stop by say hello see how things work etc.
20:33 < mmcgrath> ggruener: if it won't be done by F12 please move it to F13 :)
20:33 < Jeff_S> I'm not new, but I don't usually watch these meetings... so, "hi"
20:33 < Ccielogs> well not technical but I would like to say "hi" and eventually introduce myself :)
20:33 < mmcgrath> stickster: do you know?
20:33 < mmcgrath> leemwilliams: helo
20:34 < mmcgrath> Ccielogs: hello!
20:34 < mmcgrath> leemwilliams: I see you've sent your intro
20:34 < mmcgrath> Ccielogs: have you sent yours?
20:34 < abadger1999> Grretings new people. The meeting is only part of the fun :-)
20:34 < Ccielogs> yup in the ML as Daniele
20:35 < mdomsch> abadger1999, elections need to be just after Thanksgiving
20:35 < mdomsch> so, yes, but "not quite yet"
20:35 < mdomsch> abadger1999, you want to run them this time? :-)
20:35 < mdomsch> or inode0 ?
20:35 < mmcgrath> Ccielogs: ah, welcome!
20:35 < Ccielogs> <mmcgrath> ccielogs is my FAS username and what usually I use in here
20:35 < abadger1999> mdomsch: heh I just want to make sure we close the CSRF ticket by then:
20:35 < leemwilliams> yep, I did see the reply but I'm not so sure on what I want to work on for you guys ;) I do like the dev stuff and that's where my skill set is
20:35 < mmcgrath> Ccielogs: sure
20:35 < abadger1999> .ticket 992
20:35 < zodbot> abadger1999: #992 (CSRF) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/992
20:35 < abadger1999> Elections is the only app left to do.
20:36 < smooge> oh open floor item: PHX1 -> PHX2 move
20:36 < mdomsch> smooge, yes please
20:36 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: think it'll be done by F12?
20:36 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: It could be -- the code is written we just have to deploy
20:36 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: <nod>
20:36 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: anything else on that? if not we'll talk about the move.
20:36 < Ccielogs> mmcgrath: thanks :) I even applied to the sysadmin group and I'll wait for someone giving me a chance to prove useful to the community :)
20:37 < mmcgrath> Ccielogs: I'll approve you now
20:37 < abadger1999> nope, go on to the move.
20:37 < mmcgrath> leemwilliams: have you applied / been approved?
20:37 < Ccielogs> mmcgrath: thanks a lot!
20:37 < leemwilliams> not applied, I'll apply to the dev group most likely.
20:37 < mmcgrath> leemwilliams: k, let me know when you do, I'll approve.
20:37 < leemwilliams> mmcgrath, cheers
20:38 < mmcgrath> Ok, the move
20:38 < smooge> ok moving right along footloose and fancy free.
20:38 < mmcgrath> I've not really heard much since last week.
20:38 < mmcgrath> my meeting with Eric this week got cancelled.
20:38 < mmcgrath> I've got some servers on order. not sure when they'll be in yet
20:38 * mmcgrath follows up and asks about that.
20:38 * mdomsch hears smooge's kermit voice
20:39 < smooge> with my cold at the moment.. thats about right
20:39 < mdomsch> (the room is too young to remember the first Muppet Movie)
20:39 < mmcgrath> Also we may be getting 4 additional servers from another group inside RH that doesn't need them anymore.
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20:39 < mmcgrath> not sure about the specs or timeline yet.
20:40 < smooge> our main issues will be dealing with any slippage from current release date.
20:40 < mmcgrath> smooge: yeah, that would be uber bad.
20:40 < smooge> So please heavily test the beta when it comes out and rawhide
20:40 < smooge> I would rather not be in PHX during Thanksgiving.. but hey
20:40 < mmcgrath> indeed!
20:40 < mdomsch> F12 and opensuse 11.2 are planned the same week
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20:40 < mmcgrath> now that we're frozen I'm sure we can all find time to do one test in the QA test matrix.
20:41 < smooge> mmcgrath, pointer please :)
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20:41 < sijis> where's that matrix?
20:41 < ggruener> mmcgrath: can you send the URL to the QA test matrix
20:41 < ggruener> i always forget the url:)
20:42 < mmcgrath> This was the F11 QA one
20:42 < mmcgrath> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_11_Alpha_Install_Test_Results
20:42 < mmcgrath> they change quite a bit.
20:42 < mmcgrath> You can see A) how it goes and B) we totally need hands and fingers doing these tests.
20:42 < mmcgrath> jlaska: you around?
20:42 < sijis> mmcgrath: thanks.
20:43 < jlaska> mmcgrath: sure am, what's up?
20:43 < mmcgrath> I'll find out from the QA team what the plan is this time around and send it to the... oh there he is now.
20:43 < mmcgrath> jlaska: hey do you know what the F12 beta version of this is - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_11_Alpha_Install_Test_Results ?
20:43 < mmcgrath> or where it's going to be?
20:43 < jlaska> the official beta release candidate version isn't live yet
20:44 < jlaska> but ... we have the beta test compose page still active ...
20:44 < a-k> There's https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_12_Alpha_TC_Install_Test_Results
20:44 < jlaska> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_12_Beta_TC_Install
20:44 < mmcgrath> jlaska: thanks, just prepping some of the Infrastructure people what to expect and where they can find it :)
20:44 < jlaska> we have a beta matrix up ... but won't start the ball on that until the RC hits
20:44 < jlaska> mmcgrath: much appreciated thanks!
20:45 < jlaska> mmcgrath: lili is interested in ways to improve this manual process in the short-term. As always, ideas and suggestions are welcome+encouraged :)
20:45 < mmcgrath> jlaska: <nod> sounds good.
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20:45 < mmcgrath> anyone have any other questions?
20:46 < leemwilliams> yep
20:46 < leemwilliams> are there specific test environements or is it best to setup our own shop?
20:46 < mmcgrath> always best to setup your own if you can, but we do have publictest servers available
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20:47 < leemwilliams> would you be happy with a virtualised test env? just getting F11 up to how I need it :)
20:47 < mmcgrath> yep, most of our stuff is virtualized
20:47 < leemwilliams> cool
20:48 < Ccielogs> great
20:48 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything else?
20:48 * leemwilliams is a recent windows convert
20:49 < mmcgrath> leemwilliams: welcome :)
20:49 < mmcgrath> If no one has anything else we'll close in 30
20:50 < mmcgrath> #endmeeting
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I have a new deltarpm package built for the rel-eng repo:
I can put it into the rel-eng repository to update the servers but who
do I talk to about testing it? We'll also need approval to brakinfra
change freeze to deploy it once it's tested.
This update affects creation of deltas between zlib compressed rpms.
That should not affect F-12 except for packages which failed the mass
rebuild and have not been updated since. It will affect the updates
repository in previous releases where we are generating deltarpms.
This update is a security fix. The previous release bundled a copy of
zlib which had one unfixed vulnerability. The CVE says that it will
just cause an application crash:
http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2005-1849 but the CVE
is also in candidate status which means it hasn't been thoroughly analyzed.
I know the freeze is on.
But I need to open the form for october. It is absolutely low risk
involving just a $cp .
I am interested to join this group as want to expand my knowledge level
as well skills for open community.
My recent companies are Yahoo!, Ensim etc where I played sysadmin, qa,
hardware roles and would be interested to work with fedora.
My skill sets are, freebsd, redhat linux, ubuntu, shell, perl, php,
mysql, all protocols like http, ftp, smtp, pop, imap, dns, ntp, squid
Expecting really good opportunities to work with you guys!