Silently we set up a yum repo at infrastructure.fedoraproject.org last
week. There's not much there yet but keep your eyes out for it.
So why do we have our own repo? Two reasons.
1) We try to package everything we use in an official Fedora repo (or
EPEL). And the official Fedora repos are NOT our playground :)
2) Sometimes we need software thats different from the official release
(moin comes to mind with our ACL patch). Now we have a good place to
So enjoy but don't blame us if it kills your cat.
Could someone please make an official announcement for fedorapeople.org?
Please include some information on who has access and how to access to it.
Also it would be a good idea to mention usage guidelines for this new service.
I've created a wiki page:
Has information for both admins and users. I've also altered the Outage
Template to include a ticket link. All planned outages in the future
should have a ticket associated with them for more information.
Feel free to alter / update the Outage SOP. It is a wiki for a reason :)
I'm cleaning up fedorapeople.org and trying to get everything ready.
I'm also stripping EVERYTHING that isn't absolutely necessary off of the
machine. I have a few questions that I wanted some input on:
1. right now I have username.fedorapeople.org going to each users'
~/public_html dir. There are no cgis allowed at all, that seems
reasonable to me - makes sense to everyone else?
2. I also have www.fedorapeople.org and fedorapeople.org /~username
3. I've been stripping all unnecessary pkgs off of this system - can
anyone come up with a good reason why there would need to be any .i386
pkgs on this box at all?
4. essentially this box will be for rsync/scp/sftp of files to a place
where everyone can get to. Is there any other package that should be on
5. The user-individual tmp directories that were talked about before -
does anyone have a good reference on that and if it is do-able on rhel5?
6. on a system that's just letting users login and hosting files via
apache. Is there anything I'm missing or forgetting that would require
hal or dbus to be running? I can't think of anything that would be
communicating this way but I wanted to be sure. The box is just a static
ip so I can't think of anything but...
Any other suggestions are welcome, thanks.
The new accounts system is live. Take a look. Some general items, I'd
like to move away from the schedule into using Trac where possible. I'd
like the Schedule to become more big picture items. How does this sound
for meetings in the future:
Anyone working on any long term projects must create a ticket. If you'd
like to discuss your topic at the next meeting, add the keyword
"Meeting" to the ticket.
Etiquette: I'd like to lay down some ground rules as to proper ticket
handling (I'll post this on the wiki)
1) If you can't do something, assign it to someone else
2) If someone assigns something to you, don't get offended.
3) Use the ticketing system. There's so much going on we need to be
able to track it.
4) Don't ignore the ticketing system. I'll be on people about this.
5) Get others to use the system, if someone emails you, have them
make a ticket.
6) Don't be afraid to take a ticket. If you take something you are
unable to do, don't worry about it :)
What do you guys think?
BTW, some useful links:
Our new git repo is ready. I've decided not to clone the old
/cvs/fedora/ directory because the new repo has different scope then
that. We'll be keeping it around until we find a reason not to keep it
Anyone know why we have a local copy of pgdb.py in the fedora-accounts
module? It suffers from a lack of knowledge about unicode and I have a
script that I got to work by simply removing it and letting the system
provided pgdb.py take its place (part of the postgresql-python package).
I'd also note that it requires the _pg.so module from postgresql-python
so incorporating the module in fedora-accounts doesn't make it portable
to machines without postgresql-python installed.
[15:04] mmcgrath has set the subject to Fedora Infrastructure -- Who's here?
[15:04] * abadger1999 stops coding for a minute and prepares for a meeting
[15:04] * xDamox is ehre
[15:04] fchiulli: frank is here
[15:05] jcollie: hello...
[15:05] f13: I'm somewhat here
[15:05] mmcgrath: we'll be following http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Schedule as usual.
[15:06] mmcgrath has set the subject to Ticketing System -- All
[15:06] MrBawb has joined the group chat (i=abob(a)guppy.drown.org)
[15:06] mmcgrath: So https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ is up.
[15:06] mmcgrath: AFAIK, people have been testing with it.
[15:06] mmcgrath: I like it quite a bit.
[15:06] G: mmcgrath: looks good, but can we please put the header image on HTTPS?
[15:06] mmcgrath: G: sure.
[15:06] mmcgrath: f13: should we put just the login on https?
[15:07] mmcgrath: we can leave it for now as is.
[15:07] * skvidal is here - just grumbly
[15:07] mmcgrath: Does anyone have any issues with me sending out a notification and migrating some items to it?
[15:08] G: well yeah, just not a mix, some browsers *cough*IE*cough* don't like it
[15:08] mmcgrath: <nod>
[15:08] mmcgrath: I'll take that as a no.
[15:08] paulobanon: im here
[15:08] mmcgrath: paulobanon: yo
[15:08] * warren here
[15:08] f13: mmcgrath: we should just do all I suppose. Easier.
[15:08] f13: I hate to auth via https then suddenly drop to non https
[15:08] * mmcgrath does too
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[15:09] mmcgrath: So after the announcement and migration of old tickets I'll be removing a bunch of queues and things from OTRS.
[15:09] mmcgrath: we still need to figure out what to do with logo(a)fedoraproject.org and webmaster(a)fedoraproject.org
[15:09] warren: ah, OTRS is shutting down?
[15:10] mmcgrath: I've thought about just having a filter that replies with something like "we've moved to a web based system, please go here"
[15:10] mmcgrath: but I'll leave that up to those teams.
[15:10] mmcgrath: warren: I'd like it to but we've committed to something at least for webmaster and logo. I'll have to work out something with them.
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[15:10] mmcgrath: We'll see, anyone have anything else on that topic before we move on?
[15:11] mmcgrath: alllrighty
[15:11] paulobanon: when _!
[15:11] paulobanon: ?
[15:11] mmcgrath: paulobanon: hopefully by the end of the week.
[15:11] paulobanon: k
[15:11] mmcgrath has set the subject to Package Database -- abadger1999
[15:11] mmcgrath: abadger1999: whats the latest?
[15:12] abadger1999: I'm lagging behind but I think I've just fixed the last issue for bugzilla sync
[15:12] abadger1999: I also made a few changes that enable logging into the packagedb from the commandline.
[15:13] mmcgrath: abadger1999: any chance for you to move your main testing to publictest1?
[15:13] abadger1999: So I can jump right into writing a script to insert information from new completed reviews and branch requests in to the db.
[15:13] abadger1999: I've been trying to complete the initial rollout so I didn't work on that but I can.
[15:13] abadger1999: Does it use supervisor?
[15:14] abadger1999: I'll need to make that port anyho.
[15:14] mmcgrath: abadger1999: it doesn't have any tg on there yet at all.
[15:14] abadger1999: mmcgrath: k. I'll see about setting it up.
[15:14] mmcgrath: solid.
[15:14] mmcgrath: anything else?
[15:14] warren: one thing
[15:14] abadger1999: Anyways -- all that's left is koji sync + the new branch/package script.
[15:15] warren: Did we agree on where non-people accounts should be?
[15:15] warren: We'll need a koji account (with a cert) for automated sync from pkgdb to koji
[15:15] abadger1999: Ah. So I have a few non-people users in the account system living at 9900+
[15:15] abadger1999: But none of those are supposed to login to anything.
[15:15] warren: although FAS accounts != koji
[15:16] warren: so I'm a little confuse
[15:16] warren: d
[15:16] abadger1999: The koji account is slightly different.
[15:16] * mmcgrath is too
[15:16] mmcgrath: these accounts are a requirement for the pkgdb?
[15:16] abadger1999: warren: Don't koji accounts sync from FAS?
[15:16] warren: abadger1999, I'll ask f13 to confirm
[15:16] abadger1999: mmcgrath: All owners in the pkgdb have to be in the FAS.
[15:17] f13: yes
[15:17] mbonnet: abadger1999: there's no syncing...users are created in koji on-demand, when someone with a FAS client cert logs in
[15:17] f13: koji just allows in proper SSL certs
[15:17] f13: and creates users on the fly IIRC
[15:17] abadger1999: Ah. So you have to get a cert from the FAS. Once you have that, koji gives you permission to connect.
[15:17] mmcgrath: yep
[15:18] abadger1999: But doesn't actually share any information (like human_name_ with each other.
[15:18] f13: correct
[15:18] f13: koji's userdb is very very simple.
[15:19] f13: username: permissions
[15:19] abadger1999: Does koji have a list of revoked certs?
[15:19] f13: I don't know.
[15:19] * abadger1999 think of roozbeh's stolen laptop.
[15:19] mbonnet: abadger1999: not yet...it could though
[15:19] f13: that's a good question for mbonnet
[15:19] f13: oh there he is (:
[15:19] mbonnet: would just need to be configured in mod_ssl
[15:20] * mmcgrath smells an SOP
[15:21] mmcgrath: should we talk about that later?
[15:22] mmcgrath: abadger1999: can we move on for now?
[15:22] abadger1999: Well... warren, what do you need for koji sync to proceed?
[15:22] mbonnet: however, nalin pointed out a problem with our certificate generation (they all use serial# 0) that might make certificate revocation a problem
[15:22] warren: abadger1999, just for me to finish it, it is relatively straightforward
[15:22] abadger1999: And a cert?
[15:23] warren: abadger1999, that's a separate problem that can be solved after, I'll develop using my account
[15:23] abadger1999: k. Then yes, let's move on.
[15:24] mmcgrath has set the subject to Config Management -- mmcgrath
[15:24] mmcgrath: Nothing new here really. skvidal is trying to figure out a good way to bring puppet to our external servers.
[15:24] * skvidal wants to hate puppet a lot
[15:24] skvidal: no,
[15:24] skvidal: actually that's not true
[15:24] skvidal: I hate the pix
[15:25] skvidal: it is not puppet's fault that our routing is weird
[15:25] f13: the pix. oh god, the pix
[15:25] rordway|m: not the pix
[15:25] mmcgrath: same old story where fp.o doesn't exist internally and fedora.phx.redhat.com doesn't exist externally.
[15:25] jcollie: is there a reason that we can't replace the pix with a fedora box/iptables?
[15:25] mmcgrath: our routing is very normal
[15:25] skvidal: jcollie: capacity
[15:25] f13: and eew.
[15:25] mmcgrath: jcollie: $, space, TIME, don't forget we'd need 2 (redundancy)
[15:25] f13: please no networking infrastructure running on FEdora.
[15:26] paulobanon: skvidal: which PIX and which IOS ?
[15:26] skvidal: paulobanon: no clue - we just get to ask for things to be changed on it
[15:26] mmcgrath: paulobanon: the problem is the pix can't route traffic out the same interface that it came in on.
[15:26] paulobanon: 515E with anyacelarator cards ?
[15:26] mmcgrath: tis a 'feature'
[15:26] * jcollie should package up rancid so that we can backup the pix configs
[15:26] paulobanon: you can create virtual interfaces
[15:27] skvidal: paulobanon: so you route to that one from your hosts and it routes you back into the other
[15:27] paulobanon: i used to do that in my old company, unless im not following what u guys are trying to do
[15:27] paulobanon: basically i had 1 physical interface with 3 virtual ones there
[15:27] mmcgrath: we've got external IP on one interface, internal ip on the internal interface.
[15:27] mmcgrath: we're trying to have the internal network contact the external IP and have it come back correctly.
[15:28] mmcgrath: and AFAIK, its disabled in the PIX as a feature
[15:28] * mmcgrath would love to be corrected in this matter
[15:28] MrBawb: paulobanon: it can't route back out the same virtual interface
[15:28] skvidal: MrBawb: wouldn't have to
[15:28] paulobanon: mmcgrath send me a diagram with what you need
[15:28] mmcgrath: the guys in #cisco would be able to say better
[15:28] mmcgrath: buhh
[15:29] mmcgrath: paulobanon: 10.8.34.0 | int1 (PIX) ext1 | 184.108.40.206
[15:29] mmcgrath: we want a 10.8.34.4 to be able to access 220.127.116.11
[15:29] paulobanon: u want both to talk directly is that it ?
[15:29] paulobanon: do a static
[15:29] mmcgrath: the pix is using nat.
[15:30] mmcgrath: won't work.
[15:30] mmcgrath: talk to the guys in #cisco
[15:30] MrBawb: I'm told in PIX 7.2 there's a way to enable traffic to route out the same virtual interface it comes in on
[15:30] MrBawb: as a config feature
[15:30] mmcgrath: now that you mention that I seem to remember that being enabled in a later version as well.
[15:30] mmcgrath: more research then.
[15:31] * mmcgrath will move on so we can get done with the meeting.
[15:31] mmcgrath: paulobanon: do you know pix's?
[15:31] mmcgrath: if you could let us know exactly what to do I could pass that on to the network guys.
[15:31] mmcgrath has set the subject to VCS Choice -- jcollie
[15:31] mmcgrath: jcollie: any news on your git stuff?
[15:31] jcollie: i've updated by git page a bit
[15:31] paulobanon: well i used to get AD replications go over a PIX, and that had dynamic ports
[15:32] jcollie: i've got the conversion script running on publictest1
[15:32] mmcgrath: how's publictest1 working for you?
[15:32] jcollie: although it needs a few more tweaks
[15:32] jcollie: now that git and emacs are installed it works great
[15:32] mmcgrath: good
[15:32] mmcgrath: jcollie: have you had a look at tailor?
[15:32] jcollie: although once i'm ready to convert the entire repo i'll need some more disk space
[15:33] jcollie: mmcgrath, yeah i've used tailor before but git has better tools natively
[15:33] mmcgrath: cool
[15:33] mmcgrath: jcollie: well let us know if you need anything.
[15:33] mmcgrath has set the subject to db1 -- mmcgrath
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[15:33] mmcgrath: an outage is scheduled for this monday. Hopefully we'll have no bumps.
[15:34] mmcgrath: I'd appreciate it if any of you that could be around, to be around.
[15:34] mmcgrath: never hurts to have people on hand for these types of things.
[15:34] mmcgrath has set the subject to Server Upgrades -- mmcgrath
[15:34] mmcgrath: I've put in a request for a memory upgrade for two boxes. I'm still awaiting to hear exactly what will come of it.
[15:35] mmcgrath has set the subject to Xen Conversion -- mmcgrath
[15:35] mmcgrath: as I mentioned on the list I've created a "scanXen.sh" on bastion.
[15:35] mmcgrath: should let everyone know what hosts are running on what guests.
[15:35] paulobanon: nice scripts btw!
[15:35] mmcgrath: danks
[15:35] mmcgrath has set the subject to Bacula Transition -- mmcgrath
[15:35] mmcgrath: I've gotten the ok from ixs to comaintain this pacakge.
[15:36] mmcgrath: I'm waiting for one more post from him then hopefully we can get it accepted.
[15:36] mmcgrath: ixs: any word on that?
[15:36] * mmcgrath will assume ixs isn't around
[15:37] mmcgrath has set the subject to Elvis move -- mmcgrath
[15:37] mmcgrath: so I'm working on moving some modules from elvis to cvs.
[15:37] mmcgrath: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/RFR/ElvisMove
[15:37] mmcgrath: its... coming along I suppose.
[15:37] paulobanon: full of confidence i see...
[15:37] mmcgrath: I've run into a few errors, rather than assume the correct next action I've contacted the devs.
[15:37] mmcgrath: heh
[15:38] mmcgrath has set the subject to FAS2 -- mmcgrath
[15:38] mmcgrath: right now I've moved FAS2 to publictest1 but I can't get FDS to start, I need to contact the fds guys as to why that is.
[15:38] mmcgrath: As soon as the translation, db1 and hosted.fp.o thing settle down I'm hoping to hit it pretty hard.
[15:39] mmcgrath has set the subject to Project Hosting -- f13
[15:39] mmcgrath: f13: any news?
[15:39] paulobanon: is FAS2 in dev status or already in testing phase ?
[15:39] f13: mmcgrath: going to package up the plugins I use for Trac so they're proper
[15:39] mmcgrath: dev
[15:39] mmcgrath: f13: do you have a time frame on that?
[15:39] ixs: mmcgrath: I'm around. finishing up tomorrows presentation.
[15:39] f13: and caught wind of another plugin we should probably use, a change multiple plugin.
[15:39] f13: mmcgrath: I was hoping this afternoon, ran into some things. I'm working from home tomorrow and should have more time to do it then.
[15:39] mmcgrath: f13: cool
[15:40] mmcgrath: ixs: do you know when you'll have the latest bacula posted?
[15:40] ixs: mmcgrath: I hope I'll manage saturday afternoon or sunday.
[15:40] mmcgrath: ixs: k.
[15:40] ixs: if not, I'll just hand over the current stuff to you and you can finish it while I'm having exams.
[15:40] mmcgrath: ixs: solid, thanks.
[15:40] mmcgrath: f13: anything else on project hosted?
[15:42] * mmcgrath moving on
[15:42] f13: I don't think so. WOuld still like a logo and such
[15:42] mmcgrath: <nod>
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[15:42] mmcgrath has set the subject to fedorapeople.org -- skvidal
[15:42] mmcgrath: skvidal: yo
[15:42] mmcgrath: whats the word?
[15:42] skvidal: yes
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[15:42] skvidal: xen instance is up
[15:42] skvidal: registetred host names
[15:43] skvidal: I'm just fighting with puppet on external hosts to get it ocnfigured properly
[15:43] skvidal: does anyone remember what the plan was for controlling the wildcard dns?
[15:43] f13: plan?
[15:43] mmcgrath: 'controlling' ?
[15:43] skvidal: okay
[15:43] skvidal: good times
[15:43] paulobanon: heh
[15:44] f13: can't we do some fun $GENERATE stuff?
[15:44] mmcgrath: if alsdkfj.fedorapeople.org doesn't exist can't we just send it to the default location?
[15:44] f13: or failing that, hook up some tool to parse active users and spit out a fully formed zone file?
[15:44] skvidal: f13: that sounds like unfun
[15:44] skvidal: I'm inclined to - if we don't find a match dump them elsewhere
[15:44] f13: mmcgrath: I assume we don't want things like 'shihead.fedoraproject.org' actually loading a page.
[15:45] f13: er 'shithead'
[15:45] f13: or even worse words.
[15:45] mmcgrath: s/fedoraproject/fedorapeople/g
[15:45] f13: all the same
[15:45] skvidal: f13: jessekeating.atemyballs.com ?
[15:45] mmcgrath: I had assumed that an unfound address would bring up a page saying that "This user does not exist"
[15:46] f13: that would probably be acceptable.
[15:46] mmcgrath: something very un-interesting.
[15:46] mmcgrath: skvidal: what did you have in mind?
[15:46] skvidal: probably dumping them to a page with an index of all the users
[15:46] skvidal: so they could figure out where they went wrong
[15:47] mmcgrath: WORKSFORME
[15:47] skvidal: okie doke
[15:47] skvidal: once I get puppet/the firewalled boxes to behave
[15:47] skvidal: I'll move on from there
[15:47] skvidal: planet1.fedoraproject.org will be up by the end of the day
[15:47] skvidal: once it is happy I'll repoint planet to it
[15:48] mmcgrath: excellent.
[15:48] mmcgrath: skvidal: whats the word on your quota strategy?
[15:48] skvidal: mmcgrath: $magic
[15:48] mmcgrath: buhhhhh perl?
[15:49] skvidal: mmcgrath: it's all local disk - we can do per-user quotas soft/hard set equal so they fail immediately when they fill up
[15:49] skvidal: the only trick I have to figure out is new user addition
[15:49] skvidal: when make-shell-accounts automatically adds new folks
[15:49] skvidal: how do we add their quotas
[15:49] skvidal: optionally
[15:50] skvidal: we can just add quotas to all users after every make-shell-accounts run
[15:50] skvidal: for user in people
[15:50] skvidal: setquota to protouser quota
[15:50] skvidal: etc
[15:50] skvidal: any objections?
[15:50] abadger1999: skvidal: That second one sounds easier.
[15:50] skvidal: easier than $magic?
[15:51] skvidal: you must not be a real wizard, then
[15:51] mmcgrath: skvidal: I'm up for whatever.
[15:51] mmcgrath: we can always change it if its not working for some reason
[15:51] skvidal: mmcgrath: I've heard that about you
[15:51] * paulobanon wonders if everyone is waiting for the last Harry Potter book...
[15:51] skvidal: paulobanon: I am
[15:51] skvidal: oh and speaking of that
[15:51] paulobanon: me too
[15:51] skvidal: july 21st
[15:51] paulobanon: haha
[15:51] skvidal: do not expect to hear from me
[15:51] paulobanon: 24h reading
[15:52] jcollie: been on preorder at amazon.com for months
[15:52] jcollie: skvidal, what about jul 11th?
[15:52] mmcgrath: alright alright
[15:52] mmcgrath: lets hold off on the hp stuff for a bit
[15:52] mmcgrath: skvidal: anything else?
[15:52] paulobanon: skvidal: please prepare an skvidal_outage and mail it
[15:52] skvidal: mmcgrath: no - all good
[15:52] f13: I may be out that day as well
[15:53] f13: possibly longer depending on if I sustain injuries during fighting with my wife for the book
[15:53] * kanarip keeps silent
[15:53] * paulobanon apologises for taking the meeting out of trac
[15:53] mmcgrath: no worries
[15:53] mmcgrath has set the subject to Ibiblio Mirror -- My bad
[15:54] mmcgrath: Still nothing new on this.
[15:54] skvidal: mmcgrath: what's on the [s]hitlist for that?
[15:54] mmcgrath: skvidal: test the new mirror from phx
[15:54] mmcgrath: then find a group of mirrors to test with.
[15:54] skvidal: sorta an mdomsch sort of thing
[15:55] mmcgrath: well that first one we can do.
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[15:55] mmcgrath: I was going to work with mdomsch on the test group but he's on vacation
[15:55] mmcgrath: so thats where its att
[15:55] mmcgrath has set the subject to Open Floor -- Anyone
[15:55] mmcgrath: So I'm thinking for the next meetings we'll try to actually use the ticketing system.
[15:55] paulobanon: mmcgrath can u create an are or in trac or in the wiki and upload our public scripts
[15:56] paulobanon: so that they wont get lost
[15:56] mmcgrath: paulobanon: OH thast right.
[15:56] mmcgrath has set the subject to HG vs GIT -- All
[15:56] mmcgrath: Ok, so both hg and git do what we need to do.
[15:56] mmcgrath: seems like our group tilted to git.
[15:56] mmcgrath: thoughts?
[15:57] paulobanon: guess not
[15:57] abadger1999: Let's do it.
[15:57] skvidal: mmcgrath: darcs!
[15:57] f13: rcs
[15:57] abadger1999: skvidal: Because we don't spend enough quality time answering questions from our VCS
[15:57] f13: I still try to do 'co -l' when I check something out.
[15:58] skvidal: f13: see, this is why you're broken
[15:58] f13: yes, I cut my teeth on sun solaris and rcs and bind. Aren't I lucky
[15:58] paulobanon: talking about VCS, when will we resume the discussions about the new packagers VCS ?
[15:58] mmcgrath: Well lets just take a vote
[15:58] mmcgrath: +git
[15:58] mmcgrath: or
[15:58] mmcgrath: +hg
[15:58] skvidal: +git
[15:58] mmcgrath has set the subject to Vote
[15:58] paulobanon: +git
[15:59] f13: +git
[15:59] blizzard: +cvs
[15:59] * blizzard runs
[15:59] * paulobanon waves to blizzard
[15:59] halfline: f13: +git? I thought you were very +hg ?
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[15:59] abadger1999: +git
[16:00] mmcgrath: ok, the gits have it
[16:00] * mmcgrath is actually wearing a shirt right now that says "I'm with this stupid git" and there's an arrow.
[16:00] mmcgrath: so I'll get working on that
[16:00] mmcgrath has set the subject to Open Floor -- ALL
[16:00] f13: halfline: well, that was until I wanted to do in-repo branching.
[16:00] mmcgrath: we've got a couple minutes left.
[16:00] mmcgrath: Anyone have anything to discuss?
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[16:00] f13: halfline: I still prefer hg's ui and simplicity, but in-repo branching is terrible there.
[16:01] paulobanon: we should start talking about the future VCS in the ML again...
[16:01] paulobanon: its never too early to take care of such an important thing
[16:02] abadger1999: f13: bzr
[16:02] * abadger1999 's turn to run
[16:02] mmcgrath: paulobanon: thats true. Jcollie has been doing a good job working with getting some git stuff going too.
[16:03] mmcgrath: Ok, its time, anyone have anything else? if not I'll close the meeting in 15
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[16:04] mmcgrath has set the subject to MEETING END