Hi
We have the tentative budget approval to organize a FUDCon in India as part of the foss.in conference in Bangalore. Since last few FUDCon's have been successfully conducted in Barcamp style, we might follow it if we have the infrastructure and approval from event organizers. I have add some preliminary details to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConIndia2008
Let me know if you have any questions.
Rahul
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
We have the tentative budget approval to organize a FUDCon in India as part of the foss.in conference in Bangalore. Since last few FUDCon's have been successfully conducted in Barcamp style, we might follow it if we have the infrastructure and approval from event organizers. I have add some preliminary details to
Caveat: The FUDCon at foss.in2008 is subject to the organizers agree-ing to such a proposal.
Having said that, it would be nice:
[1] to start a discussion on this list and, once there are emerging agenda points to
[2] hold an IRC meeting on this
A preliminary set of discussion points could be around:
o why do we want to do a FUDCon at foss.in o who is our audience o how do we determine the success of FUDCon@foss.in o what lessons do we have from Project Day last year o what 'activities' do we intend to do
~sankarshan
ps:
On a personal note, I'd love to see less emphasis on talks and more emphasis on 'doing things' ie actual hunkering down on desktops|laptops, whiteboards and coming up with stuff that can be translated into action points.
Such stuff could be a mundane 'creating a spin' or 'packaging a random application for EPEL' or, creating artwork for the Fedora India Community website
Sankarshan (সà¦à§à¦à¦°à§à¦·à¦£) wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
We have the tentative budget approval to organize a FUDCon in India as part of the foss.in conference in Bangalore. Since last few FUDCon's have been successfully conducted in Barcamp style, we might follow it if we have the infrastructure and approval from event organizers. I have add some preliminary details to
Caveat: The FUDCon at foss.in2008 is subject to the organizers agree-ing to such a proposal.
Having said that, it would be nice:
Have the organisers been contacted?
Would be nice if a preliminary proposal went in at this stage.
Cheers...Kishore
Kishore Bhargava wrote:
Have the organisers been contacted?
Not at this point in time. Not formally. The reason being that there isn't much meat to be put on to a proposal. There are ideas (as you might see coming out in this thread), but they haven't been linked into some sort of a cohesive theme. We should start doing that as early as possible.
Would be nice if a preliminary proposal went in at this stage.
I agree. And the list should take note of this suggestion from you.
On Tuesday 01 July 2008 05:11:10 am Sankarshan (সঙ্কর্ষণ) wrote:
o why do we want to do a FUDCon at foss.in
Few things can be done like 1. Direct recruit of Fedora Ambassadors Get the CLA done there only, they must have laptop or someway to sign the CLA.
2. Packaging marathon: We do have a good number of experienced packagers. So, get them all, sit and let try to have at least one package per person packaged and reviewed. We can get the newbies there (they will need some extra attention) . For this we should start discussion and ask interested people to join the mailing from now, so that we can have a proper discussion on basics here (which will help the new packagers).
3. l10n marathon: Same as above, do the translation.
o who is our audience
Existing contributors + students + people who have knowledge but don't know from where to start.
o how do we determine the success of FUDCon@foss.in
After 1 month see how many new contributors keep doing the work.
o what lessons do we have from Project Day last year
What I think, people love to listen and then forget when they go back to home.
o what 'activities' do we intend to do
I will write my ideas in a different mail.
Kushal
- Packaging marathon: We do have a good number of experienced packagers. So, get them all, sit
and let try to have at least one package per person packaged and reviewed. We can get the newbies there (they will need some extra attention) . For this we should start discussion and ask interested people to join the mailing from now, so that we can have a proper discussion on basics here (which will help the new packagers).
We can extend this beyond packaging.
Lets decide within the Fedora Project what are the things we want to be done, in a way similar to putting up possible ideas for Google Summer of Code. eg., implementing feature X for Koji, packaging program Y, documenting Z, etc.. Then we can invite possible FudCon attendees who are interested in doing these.
Obviously some tasks might take much more than a day to complete, but atleast we can lay the foundations (eg., design, initial framework).
Interestingly the event will be roughly 6 months after GSoC 2008 and 6 months before the next one (if held at all).
o how do we determine the success of FUDCon@foss.in
After 1 month see how many new contributors keep doing the work.
o what lessons do we have from Project Day last year
What I think, people love to listen and then forget when they go back to home.
I attended two project days last year -- those of GNOME and Fedora. In a way they were a failure. Atleast Fedora was. Being a co-proposer one can say I am partly responsible. :-)
The issue here is that most of the talks were like "technology show-off" ones, except the one by Andrew Cowie on multi-threaded Gtk+ programming and a few others. Although most of the items did contain internal details and were delivered by the core contributors, there was not much oppurtunity for someone to walk in as an interested, non-contributor and walk out as a newbie, contributor. What happened was a large number of curious people came in and left with some amount of new information, which they quickly forget as Kushal pointed out.
So if instead of having one talk after the other, we can interleave "technology show-off" sessions with hands-on ones on the technology that was shown off. Obviously the target levels and domains of expertise can vary.
Cheers, Debarshi
Debarshi Ray wrote:
[snipping off some nice bits]
The issue here is that most of the talks were like "technology show-off" ones, except the one by Andrew Cowie on multi-threaded Gtk+ programming and a few others. Although most of the items did contain internal details and were delivered by the core contributors, there was not much oppurtunity for someone to walk in as an interested, non-contributor and walk out as a newbie, contributor.
Nod. This is the exact point that we should address. Not show off talks, but real meat which can help potential contributors join in. In whatever small way they can. An underlying focus should be to ensure that talks are not "look here, now here is this cool thingy which can be tweaked to do these super cool bling" but more on "here is this cool thingy and here's where all you can start contributing".
The answer(s) to the question "Well, I am at the FUDCon@foss.in, now what ?" when asked by any member of the audience should provide multiple paths to contribution
Debarshi Ray wrote:
- Packaging marathon: We do have a good number of experienced packagers. So, get them all, sit
and let try to have at least one package per person packaged and reviewed. We can get the newbies there (they will need some extra attention) . For this we should start discussion and ask interested people to join the mailing from now, so that we can have a proper discussion on basics here (which will help the new packagers).
We can extend this beyond packaging.
Lets decide within the Fedora Project what are the things we want to be done, in a way similar to putting up possible ideas for Google Summer of Code. eg., implementing feature X for Koji, packaging program Y, documenting Z, etc.. Then we can invite possible FudCon attendees who are interested in doing these.
Do you have specific ideas on what you would like to see get done? I have a proposal. Make sure all of the fonts listed in
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Decorative_fonts
are packaged, reviewed and built before FUDCon in India is over.
Rahul
On 02/07/2008, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote: [..]
Do you have specific ideas on what you would like to see get done? I have a proposal. Make sure all of the fonts listed in
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Decorative_fonts
are packaged, reviewed and built before FUDCon in India is over.
Hi list, /me is Rakesh Pandit aka chacha_chaudhry (irc nick)
What about taking some ideas already here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerCoding/2008/Ideas which haven't been taken yet in Summer of Code to this year.
Though a new packager (still to be sponsored) I am very much interested in getting into the marathon of packaging fonts listed above. :)
But we need to announce these kind of tasks very very prior to the D days.
-- Regards, Rakesh Pandit
Rakesh Pandit wrote:
Hi list, /me is Rakesh Pandit aka chacha_chaudhry (irc nick)
What about taking some ideas already here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerCoding/2008/Ideas which haven't been taken yet in Summer of Code to this year.
If anybody has projects in this list they are willing to take up, yell. Also refer
http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/Potential_Projects
The reason for taking up smaller chunks like packaging fonts is to have specific goals that we could accomplish by the end of the event and which can be taught to other new contributors relatively easily.
Though a new packager (still to be sponsored) I am very much interested in getting into the marathon of packaging fonts listed above. :)
Did you sign up for a Fedora account? If you need help with getting started, let us know.
But we need to announce these kind of tasks very very prior to the D days.
Sure. We are discussing everything out in the open.
Rahul
On 03/07/2008, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Rakesh Pandit wrote:
Hi list, /me is Rakesh Pandit aka chacha_chaudhry (irc nick)
What about taking some ideas already here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerCoding/2008/Ideas which haven't been taken yet in Summer of Code to this year.
If anybody has projects in this list they are willing to take up, yell. Also refer
http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/Potential_Projects
The reason for taking up smaller chunks like packaging fonts is to have specific goals that we could accomplish by the end of the event and which can be taught to other new contributors relatively easily.
Okay, this seems to best. if we can make a list of these tasks on some wiki page? May be some child page of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RegionalTeams/India
Though a new packager (still to be sponsored) I am very much interested in getting into the marathon of packaging fonts listed above. :)
Did you sign up for a Fedora account? If you need help with getting started, let us know.
As per guidlines once I am sponsor I can then only have account. So, may be soon I will create one, if everything goes on nicely.
But we need to announce these kind of tasks very very prior to the D days.
Sure. We are discussing everything out in the open.
Nice, just meant that sooner we decide on (as we are aleady doing) greater time we will get publicising to targetted folks(may be among colleges or lugs) and more importantly ample time for tasks to complete.
-- Regards, Rakesh Pandit
On 04/07/2008, Rakesh Pandit rakesh.pandit@gmail.com wrote: [..]
As per guidlines once I am sponsor I can then only have account. So, may be soon I will create one, if everything goes on nicely.
*s/sponsor/sponsored/ ;-)
Recently, on #dgplug folks are organising a nice workshop. This workshop (Summer training camp for college people) looks to be great way of encouraging and spreading GNU/Linux to more people. May we have something like Fedora Workshops series before FOSS.in over different lugs, college campus where we can try reaching folks.
May we during those workshops we can simultaneously work on those tasks also.
But this looks too ambitious.
I mean + How do we attract crowd? -- may be colleges, different irc channels , lugs, lists + What can be there in workshops? + Will it really be worth even an effort?
Any suggestions? Do I sound too crazy? ;-) -- Regards, Rakesh Pandit
Rakesh Pandit wrote:
Recently, on #dgplug folks are organising a nice workshop. This workshop (Summer training camp for college people) looks to be great way of encouraging and spreading GNU/Linux to more people.
Wonderful idea. Let's figure out how the DGP-LUG folks manage to get >20 folks during evening hours on the channel and get to work towards the Summer Workshops ;)
Would be good to have someone lead an IRC meeting on this and related issue ? Anyone game ...
On Friday 04 July 2008 10:38:02 am Sankarshan (সঙ্কর্ষণ) wrote:
Wonderful idea. Let's figure out how the DGP-LUG folks manage to get >20 folks during evening hours on the channel and get to work towards the Summer Workshops ;)
Would be good to have someone lead an IRC meeting on this and related issue ? Anyone game ...
I am one of the organizer of the Summer Training by dgplug. This whole training idea is totally working based on the volunteer trainers who agreed to teach the students after their daily job. Though my initial idea was (still is) to push Fedora among the students. Still have few plans on that, which we will try at the end of the session. so, when we can have the meeting on this ? Sunday ?
Kushal
On 04/07/2008, Kushal Das kushaldas@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday 04 July 2008 10:38:02 am Sankarshan (সঙ্কর্ষণ) wrote:
Wonderful idea. Let's figure out how the DGP-LUG folks manage to get >20 folks during evening hours on the channel and get to work towards the Summer Workshops ;)
Would be good to have someone lead an IRC meeting on this and related issue ? Anyone game ...
/me votes Kushal, if he has no objection. :-)
[..]
Though my initial idea was (still is) to push Fedora among the students. Still have few plans on that, which we will try at the end of the session. so, when we can have the meeting on this ? Sunday ?
+1 Sunday is good. Time ? Anyone call .... I will be avaliable throughtout day.