Hi all,
I think it would be a great idea to use the new tools to create a Fedora 7 games livecd + dvd. However I'm currently way to busy to also start a project like this.
Any takers?
Regards,
Hans
Be what criteria would we limit content? I assume everything would fit on a DVD, but for the CD we'd probably have to winnow it down to The Best of The Best, a good sampling of types that show off The State of Fedora Gaming(r).
Maybe a list compiled from votes by the members of this list? We could all pick our favorites.
Or perhaps I'm over-thinking this.
I'll play around with it if I get time, which I may soon. Send the list must-haves. Or, better yet, Hans could create a page for this in the wiki.
Jon
Hi all,
I think it would be a great idea to use the new tools to create a Fedora 7 games livecd + dvd. However I'm currently way to busy to also start a project like this.
Any takers?
Regards,
Hans
Fedora-games-list mailing list Fedora-games-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list
A couple of things to consider with a games livecd:
Would you want to include game servers? This might be more appropriate for a custom games spin, but not a livecd due to the extra configuration that might be required.
Include 3D games? Some 3D games have really poor performance unless you use the binary-only drivers from your graphics card vendor, which wouldn't be allowed for a Fedora cd/dvd.
Some game content, even the best of the best, can be in excess of 70MB. For example, wesnoth (a must-have) is 94MB. That's 1/8 of a 750MB CD. Clearly you wouldn't be able to include many large-content games on a livecd. I would only consider creating a livedvd.
--Wart
Jon Ciesla wrote:
Be what criteria would we limit content? I assume everything would fit on a DVD, but for the CD we'd probably have to winnow it down to The Best of The Best, a good sampling of types that show off The State of Fedora Gaming(r).
Maybe a list compiled from votes by the members of this list? We could all pick our favorites.
Or perhaps I'm over-thinking this.
I'll play around with it if I get time, which I may soon. Send the list must-haves. Or, better yet, Hans could create a page for this in the wiki.
Jon
Hi all,
I think it would be a great idea to use the new tools to create a Fedora 7 games livecd + dvd. However I'm currently way to busy to also start a project like this.
Any takers?
Regards,
Hans
Fedora-games-list mailing list Fedora-games-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list
Jon Ciesla wrote:
Be what criteria would we limit content? I assume everything would fit on a DVD, but for the CD we'd probably have to winnow it down to The Best of The Best, a good sampling of types that show off The State of Fedora Gaming(r).
Maybe a list compiled from votes by the members of this list? We could all pick our favorites.
Yes making a list of what to include is somewhat hard. As Wart already said for the cd version, we cannot include many larger games. I think it would be best for the cd to make a selection out of the good small games, and then fill up whats left with the larger ones.
I'll play around with it if I get time, which I may soon. Send the list must-haves. Or, better yet, Hans could create a page for this in the wiki.
A wiki page is a good idea, you should be able to create one just as much as I can.
Regards,
Hans
Personally I think CDs are an outdated technology, to me it is like a discussion about a livefloppy distro.
I vote for a livedvd only, screw the damn CDs.
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 02:42:46PM -0700, Christopher Stone wrote:
Personally I think CDs are an outdated technology, to me it is like a discussion about a livefloppy distro.
I vote for a livedvd only, screw the damn CDs.
Normally I wouldn't completely agree, but for games? There's no sense even thinking about a live CD. A DVD should have enough space for many, if not all, of the large-ish games.
Steve
Works for me. I'll make a wiki page soon and post back here. I think focusing on a DVD is probably wise.
On the 3D game front, I see two choices.
1. Eschew 3D games, so all the games included work as well as possible on all available hardare, due to binary drivers, the pragmatic approach.
2. Go all-out and include the best of the 3D games. Then users can use the LiveDVD as a sort of hardware Shibboleth. They can take the DVD to the store, and try out the available hardware, and then buy what works with OSS drivers. Speak against binary-only hardware with the pocketbook.
I have a preference. What do you all think?
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 02:42:46PM -0700, Christopher Stone wrote:
Personally I think CDs are an outdated technology, to me it is like a discussion about a livefloppy distro.
I vote for a livedvd only, screw the damn CDs.
Normally I wouldn't completely agree, but for games? There's no sense even thinking about a live CD. A DVD should have enough space for many, if not all, of the large-ish games.
Steve
Steven Pritchard - K&S Pritchard Enterprises, Inc. Email: steve@kspei.com http://www.kspei.com/ Phone: (618)398-3000 Mobile: (618)567-7320
Fedora-games-list mailing list Fedora-games-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 18:03 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote:
Works for me. I'll make a wiki page soon and post back here. I think focusing on a DVD is probably wise.
On the 3D game front, I see two choices.
- Eschew 3D games, so all the games included work as well as possible on
all available hardare, due to binary drivers, the pragmatic approach.
- Go all-out and include the best of the 3D games. Then users can use
the LiveDVD as a sort of hardware Shibboleth. They can take the DVD to the store, and try out the available hardware, and then buy what works with OSS drivers. Speak against binary-only hardware with the pocketbook.
I have a preference. What do you all think?
My Radeon 9600XT works great with the open source driver and in fact fglrx refuses to work on this box. And my laptop has Intel 830M graphics which do a passable job of running OpenArena with the detail set all the way down. And I run Second Life on it, as slow as it may be.
Option 2 please.
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 07:41:36PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote:
Option 2 please.
Ditto.
Steve
Speaking of games to include, I'd try to include not-quite-games (especially ones that stress 3D hardware), like the space simulators (celestia and stellarium) and some of the edutainment stuff (tuxpaint, tuxtype2, etc.).
Steve
Agreed. I'd like to make something that would offer something to most age groups, so whatever package has potato guy would be great, I think my 2-year old daughter would love that. :). And I could still have my bzflag.
Speaking of games to include, I'd try to include not-quite-games (especially ones that stress 3D hardware), like the space simulators (celestia and stellarium) and some of the edutainment stuff (tuxpaint, tuxtype2, etc.).
Steve
Steven Pritchard - K&S Pritchard Enterprises, Inc. Email: steve@kspei.com http://www.kspei.com/ Phone: (618)398-3000 Mobile: (618)567-7320
Fedora-games-list mailing list Fedora-games-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 21:09 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote:
Agreed. I'd like to make something that would offer something to most age groups, so whatever package has potato guy would be great, I think my 2-year old daughter would love that. :). And I could still have my bzflag.
Speaking of games to include, I'd try to include not-quite-games (especially ones that stress 3D hardware), like the space simulators (celestia and stellarium) and some of the edutainment stuff (tuxpaint, tuxtype2, etc.).
I hoping to get Croquet debugged to the point of putting it into one rather large rpm. I finally found the error that prevented it from using openGL properly and now it looks 100% better than Second Life, plus you have the server as well as the client. I'm impressed as heck with it. Ric
Agreed. I'd like to make something that would offer something to most age groups, so whatever package has potato guy would be great, I think my 2-year old daughter would love that. :). And I could still have my bzflag.
Speaking of games to include, I'd try to include not-quite-games (especially ones that stress 3D hardware), like the space simulators (celestia and stellarium) and some of the edutainment stuff (tuxpaint, tuxtype2, etc.).
Steve
Steven Pritchard - K&S Pritchard Enterprises, Inc. Email: steve@kspei.com http://www.kspei.com/ Phone: (618)398-3000 Mobile: (618)567-7320
Fedora-games-list mailing list Fedora-games-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list
"Utilities" such as dosbox should be included too.
I was thinking it would be cool if we could somehow configure kde or gnome or whatever to be game oriented as well. For example, we could have a game oriented desktop wall paper (the tux frag comes to mind). And we could set up rss feeds and news tickers and stuff for game related web sites and so on.
I'm not sure how feasable all that extra configuration would be though.
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Christopher Stone wrote:
"Utilities" such as dosbox should be included too.
I was thinking it would be cool if we could somehow configure kde or gnome or whatever to be game oriented as well. For example, we could have a game oriented desktop wall paper (the tux frag comes to mind). And we could set up rss feeds and news tickers and stuff for game related web sites and so on.
I'm not sure how feasable all that extra configuration would be though.
If you can get me a package manifest in kickstart-style for all packages you want to see included, and the default desktop background / gnome theme, I'll try and implement it in this tool we're creating.
At least you'll know what will be the size of such compose, and I have another use case ;-)
Kind regards,
Jeroen van Meeuwen
We have a wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games/GamesLiveCD Start populating that must-have list! :) I've seeded it with the fruits of the discussion so far.
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Christopher Stone wrote:
"Utilities" such as dosbox should be included too.
I was thinking it would be cool if we could somehow configure kde or gnome or whatever to be game oriented as well. For example, we could have a game oriented desktop wall paper (the tux frag comes to mind). And we could set up rss feeds and news tickers and stuff for game related web sites and so on.
I'm not sure how feasable all that extra configuration would be though.
If you can get me a package manifest in kickstart-style for all packages you want to see included, and the default desktop background / gnome theme, I'll try and implement it in this tool we're creating.
At least you'll know what will be the size of such compose, and I have another use case ;-)
Kind regards,
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how about a strictly gaming release of fedora, sort of like a half-life mod, where the kernel is streamlined for graphics throughput and bundled with graphics card drivers (many which are only available after you try to play a game, quite annoying) and a myriad of popular games, all of which should fit on a DVD. remember, DVD's are frequently double-sided and dual layered, giving you at least twice the storage space.
On 4/2/07, Jon Ciesla limb@jcomserv.net wrote:
We have a wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games/GamesLiveCD Start populating that must-have list! :) I've seeded it with the fruits of the discussion so far.
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Christopher Stone wrote:
"Utilities" such as dosbox should be included too.
I was thinking it would be cool if we could somehow configure kde or gnome or whatever to be game oriented as well. For example, we could have a game oriented desktop wall paper (the tux frag comes to mind). And we could set up rss feeds and news tickers and stuff for game related web sites and so on.
I'm not sure how feasable all that extra configuration would be though.
If you can get me a package manifest in kickstart-style for all packages you want to see included, and the default desktop background / gnome theme, I'll try and implement it in this tool we're creating.
At least you'll know what will be the size of such compose, and I have another use case ;-)
Kind regards,
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tim oconnell wrote:
how about a strictly gaming release of fedora, sort of like a half-life mod, where the kernel is streamlined for graphics throughput and
I believe all Fedora releases should have a few things in common, one of them being the kernel.
bundled with graphics card drivers (many which are only available after you try to play a game, quite annoying) and a myriad of popular games,
Graphic drivers, like proprietary nvidia and ati? Those can't be bundled due to their license and also they are outside of Fedora's philosophy - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#head-480f1c231662c4279ebc75f729...
all of which should fit on a DVD. remember, DVD's are frequently double-sided and dual layered, giving you at least twice the storage space.
Consider the space needed on the mirrors to carry all those customized Fedora versions, is highly probable such an image would be ignored by mirrors and have to be distributed only by BitTorrent. Also remember those dual layer media are much expensive compared with standard blank DVD and not all writers can use them.
On 4/2/07, Jon Ciesla limb@jcomserv.net wrote:
We have a wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games/GamesLiveCD Start populating that must-have list! :) I've seeded it with the fruits of the discussion so far.
I'm not sure why we are populating this list, it should just be every single game that is packaged for fedora proper.
We should also have minimal KDE/GNOME envionments available.
BAH! That smacks of simplicity and efficiency!
. . .
So what's an easy way to do it? Just grab a list from Repoview? I won't be able to play with the actual execution of this until f7 is out and I've upgraded my dev box (not enough hardware to affor dto run rawhide), but it's good to be prepared.
I think the reasoning behind the list was to gather "must-have"s for a CD, but since we seem to be collectively more interested in a DVD, space is much less of an issue. No OO.org, for example. . .
On 4/2/07, Jon Ciesla limb@jcomserv.net wrote:
We have a wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games/GamesLiveCD Start populating that must-have list! :) I've seeded it with the fruits of the discussion so far.
I'm not sure why we are populating this list, it should just be every single game that is packaged for fedora proper.
We should also have minimal KDE/GNOME envionments available.
On 5/11/07, Jon Ciesla limb@jcomserv.net wrote:
BAH! That smacks of simplicity and efficiency!
. . .
So what's an easy way to do it? Just grab a list from Repoview? I won't be able to play with the actual execution of this until f7 is out and I've upgraded my dev box (not enough hardware to affor dto run rawhide), but it's good to be prepared.
I think the reasoning behind the list was to gather "must-have"s for a CD, but since we seem to be collectively more interested in a DVD, space is much less of an issue. No OO.org, for example. . .
Yea, I don't think it makes any sense to make a CD distro for games. Has to be DVD all the way.
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:11:13 -0700, Christopher Stone chris.stone@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/2/07, Jon Ciesla limb@jcomserv.net wrote:
We have a wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games/GamesLiveCD Start populating that must-have list! :) I've seeded it with the fruits of the discussion so far.
I'm not sure why we are populating this list, it should just be every single game that is packaged for fedora proper.
I am not sure you can fit all of the games on a CD. For example the rpms for Urquan Masters are over 100mb. Wesnoth (a must have) is about 70mb. I am not sure how many large games there are, but it won't take many more to fill up a Live CD.
On 5/11/07, Bruno Wolff III bruno@wolff.to wrote:
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:11:13 -0700, Christopher Stone chris.stone@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/2/07, Jon Ciesla limb@jcomserv.net wrote:
We have a wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games/GamesLiveCD Start populating that must-have list! :) I've seeded it with the fruits of the discussion so far.
I'm not sure why we are populating this list, it should just be every single game that is packaged for fedora proper.
I am not sure you can fit all of the games on a CD. For example the rpms for Urquan Masters are over 100mb. Wesnoth (a must have) is about 70mb. I am not sure how many large games there are, but it won't take many more to fill up a Live CD.
So then we all agree that we should through out the idea of making a CD? Unless you want like a 12 CD distro or something....
I still think we should have a CD and a DVD. Absolutely everything on the DVD, best foot forward, top priority.
Then offer a CD, with a much smaller collection. At least one 3d-intenstive game to let users test hardware at the store, in case there's no DVD drive. Definitely second priority, but still important, IMHO.
On 5/11/07, Bruno Wolff III bruno@wolff.to wrote:
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:11:13 -0700, Christopher Stone chris.stone@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/2/07, Jon Ciesla limb@jcomserv.net wrote:
We have a wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games/GamesLiveCD Start populating that must-have list! :) I've seeded it with the
fruits of
the discussion so far.
I'm not sure why we are populating this list, it should just be every single game that is packaged for fedora proper.
I am not sure you can fit all of the games on a CD. For example the rpms for Urquan Masters are over 100mb. Wesnoth (a must have) is about 70mb. I am not sure how many large games there are, but it won't take many more to fill up a Live CD.
So then we all agree that we should through out the idea of making a CD? Unless you want like a 12 CD distro or something....
On 5/11/07, Jon Ciesla limb@jcomserv.net wrote:
I still think we should have a CD and a DVD. Absolutely everything on the DVD, best foot forward, top priority.
Then offer a CD, with a much smaller collection. At least one 3d-intenstive game to let users test hardware at the store, in case there's no DVD drive. Definitely second priority, but still important, IMHO.
I personally think a CD distro is pointless, but yes, lets start with a DVD concept first.
How much space do all packaged games and all their dependencies in devel currently require?
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Christopher Stone wrote:
On 5/11/07, Jon Ciesla limb@jcomserv.net wrote:
I still think we should have a CD and a DVD. Absolutely everything on the DVD, best foot forward, top priority.
Then offer a CD, with a much smaller collection. At least one 3d-intenstive game to let users test hardware at the store, in case there's no DVD drive. Definitely second priority, but still important, IMHO.
I personally think a CD distro is pointless, but yes, lets start with a DVD concept first.
How much space do all packaged games and all their dependencies in devel currently require?
I'm building some Live Media right now. I'm using the development repositories and have chosen to use all mandatory GNOME packages (but no default and/or optional), and have selected all 138 Games and Entertainment packages.
Kind regards,
Jeroen van Meeuwen
On 5/11/07, Jeroen van Meeuwen kanarip@kanarip.com wrote:
Christopher Stone wrote:
How much space do all packaged games and all their dependencies in devel currently require?
I'm building some Live Media right now. I'm using the development repositories and have chosen to use all mandatory GNOME packages (but no default and/or optional), and have selected all 138 Games and Entertainment packages.
only 138? pirut on FC-6 shows 143 in the games category, I would think there would be more in devel. Also don't forget dosbox and fuse-emulator.
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Christopher Stone wrote:
On 5/11/07, Jeroen van Meeuwen kanarip@kanarip.com wrote:
Christopher Stone wrote:
How much space do all packaged games and all their dependencies in devel currently require?
I'm building some Live Media right now. I'm using the development repositories and have chosen to use all mandatory GNOME packages (but no default and/or optional), and have selected all 138 Games and Entertainment packages.
only 138? pirut on FC-6 shows 143 in the games category, I would think there would be more in devel. Also don't forget dosbox and fuse-emulator.
If they're not in the comps file, no-one is going to be able to select them in "Add/Remove Programs" and likewise they will not show in Revisor unless you hit the "List" or "Search" tab.
Put games in comps!
Kind regards,
Jeroen van Meeuwen
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Christopher Stone wrote:
On 5/11/07, Jeroen van Meeuwen kanarip@kanarip.com wrote:
Christopher Stone wrote:
How much space do all packaged games and all their dependencies in devel currently require?
I'm building some Live Media right now. I'm using the development repositories and have chosen to use all mandatory GNOME packages (but no default and/or optional), and have selected all 138 Games and Entertainment packages.
only 138? pirut on FC-6 shows 143 in the games category, I would think there would be more in devel. Also don't forget dosbox and fuse-emulator.
So these 138 games listed in the development comps file, including the dependencies and a 'minimal desktop' result in a:
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.1G 2007-05-12 00:06 livecd-20070511.iso
DVD image.
Kind regards,
Jeroen van Meeuwen
On 5/11/07, Jeroen van Meeuwen kanarip@kanarip.com wrote:
only 138? pirut on FC-6 shows 143 in the games category, I would think there would be more in devel. Also don't forget dosbox and fuse-emulator.
So these 138 games listed in the development comps file, including the dependencies and a 'minimal desktop' result in a:
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.1G 2007-05-12 00:06 livecd-20070511.iso
DVD image.
How much can a dvd fit? I counted 148 packages in my comps, are you sure you are up to date?
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Christopher Stone wrote:
On 5/11/07, Jeroen van Meeuwen kanarip@kanarip.com wrote:
only 138? pirut on FC-6 shows 143 in the games category, I would think there would be more in devel. Also don't forget dosbox and fuse-emulator.
So these 138 games listed in the development comps file, including the dependencies and a 'minimal desktop' result in a:
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.1G 2007-05-12 00:06 livecd-20070511.iso
DVD image.
How much can a dvd fit? I counted 148 packages in my comps, are you sure you are up to date?
I'm up-to-date at 03:00 daily for all repositories in and outside the Fedora umbrella, then it starts to degrade ;-)
A DVD (one of the old-fashioned ones) can hold 4.7 GB of data. Dual Layer Blu-Ray DVD's can hold up to 18.x IIRC.
- -kanarip
On 5/11/07, Jeroen van Meeuwen kanarip@kanarip.com wrote:
Christopher Stone wrote:
On 5/11/07, Jeroen van Meeuwen kanarip@kanarip.com wrote:
only 138? pirut on FC-6 shows 143 in the games category, I would think there would be more in devel. Also don't forget dosbox and fuse-emulator.
So these 138 games listed in the development comps file, including the dependencies and a 'minimal desktop' result in a:
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.1G 2007-05-12 00:06 livecd-20070511.iso
DVD image.
How much can a dvd fit? I counted 148 packages in my comps, are you sure you are up to date?
I'm up-to-date at 03:00 daily for all repositories in and outside the Fedora umbrella, then it starts to degrade ;-)
I believe 9 or 10 were added today.
A DVD (one of the old-fashioned ones) can hold 4.7 GB of data. Dual Layer Blu-Ray DVD's can hold up to 18.x IIRC.
okay cool so we have a little room to spare. Do these packages allow a user to switch between gnome and kde or is it gnome only? What additional packages would be required to add a minimal kde install?
Christopher Stone wrote:
On 5/11/07, Jeroen van Meeuwen kanarip@kanarip.com wrote:
I'm up-to-date at 03:00 daily for all repositories in and outside the Fedora umbrella, then it starts to degrade ;-)
I believe 9 or 10 were added today.
A DVD (one of the old-fashioned ones) can hold 4.7 GB of data. Dual Layer Blu-Ray DVD's can hold up to 18.x IIRC.
okay cool so we have a little room to spare. Do these packages allow a user to switch between gnome and kde or is it gnome only? What additional packages would be required to add a minimal kde install?
This was just GNOME mandatory. If you have a rawhide box, you may wanna install Revisor [1], or send me a kickstart file (you can use system-config-kickstart), and I'll build it.
-kanarip
[1] Revisor 2.0.2-1.fc7.noarch RPM http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/releases/revisor-2.0/revisor-2.0.2-1.fc7.noar...
On 5/11/07, Christopher Stone chris.stone@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/11/07, Bruno Wolff III bruno@wolff.to wrote:
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:11:13 -0700, Christopher Stone chris.stone@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/2/07, Jon Ciesla limb@jcomserv.net wrote:
We have a wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games/GamesLiveCD Start populating that must-have list! :) I've seeded it with the fruits of the discussion so far.
I'm not sure why we are populating this list, it should just be every single game that is packaged for fedora proper.
I am not sure you can fit all of the games on a CD. For example the rpms for Urquan Masters are over 100mb. Wesnoth (a must have) is about 70mb. I am not sure how many large games there are, but it won't take many more to fill up a Live CD.
So then we all agree that we should through out the idea of making a CD? Unless you want like a 12 CD distro or something....
That should be "throw out the idea" ;-)
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Christopher Stone wrote:
On 5/11/07, Bruno Wolff III bruno@wolff.to wrote:
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:11:13 -0700, Christopher Stone chris.stone@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/2/07, Jon Ciesla limb@jcomserv.net wrote:
We have a wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games/GamesLiveCD Start populating that must-have list! :) I've seeded it with the
fruits of
the discussion so far.
I'm not sure why we are populating this list, it should just be every single game that is packaged for fedora proper.
I am not sure you can fit all of the games on a CD. For example the rpms for Urquan Masters are over 100mb. Wesnoth (a must have) is about 70mb. I am not sure how many large games there are, but it won't take many more to fill up a Live CD.
So then we all agree that we should through out the idea of making a CD? Unless you want like a 12 CD distro or something....
12 CD's would not be possible considering the fact we are talking about Live Media here.
Kind regards,
Jeroen van Meeuwen
Steven Pritchard wrote:
Speaking of games to include, I'd try to include not-quite-games (especially ones that stress 3D hardware), like the space simulators (celestia and stellarium) and some of the edutainment stuff (tuxpaint, tuxtype2, etc.).
If we go dvd, and there is space, edutainment gets a +1 from me, also think gcompris, childsplay .
Regards,
Hans
Jon Ciesla wrote:
On the 3D game front, I see two choices.
- Eschew 3D games, so all the games included work as well as possible on
all available hardare, due to binary drivers, the pragmatic approach.
- Go all-out and include the best of the 3D games. Then users can use
the LiveDVD as a sort of hardware Shibboleth. They can take the DVD to the store, and try out the available hardware, and then buy what works with OSS drivers. Speak against binary-only hardware with the pocketbook.
I have a preference. What do you all think?
A livecd/dvd has the option to install to hdd, so the user can install the proprietary video drivers later if he want this, so the "games" disc offer the benefits of a) pre-made selection of games b) offline install of huge game-data packages