Hello all!
I know this mailing list has been mostly inactive for quite some time and a lot of the initial inertia for the tasks that this SIG was responsible have fallen by the wayside over the years.
== Bringing back the SIG ==
Today, some extended discussion happened across #fedora-games / #fedora-join on IRC for how to bring back some life to this SIG. bkeys and I had discussed ideas about bringing information and tools in the open source gaming world into Fedora and communicate that with users.
== Roll call ==
To help get things rolling here once again, I'd like to propose a "sound-off" or roll call of everyone in this mailing list who is still interested in contributing or participating to efforts to help this SIG begin to move again. This will help us get an idea of who is around, what your skill sets are, and how you would be able to contribute.
== Resources ==
To help get any interested members onto the same page, there are some resources available to us now to help organize plans, thoughts, and communication. Obviously, this mailing list is a resource, but here are some more:
* IRC: #fedora-games on irc.freenode.net * FAS: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/games-sig (apply after (re-)sending an introduction to the list) * Wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games
It would be great to see some more people hang out in the IRC channel as well.
Thanks everyone! Hoping to see where things go from here. :) My own introduction will be coming shortly...
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 19:33:30 -0400, "Justin W. Flory" jflory7@gmail.com wrote:
== Roll call ==
To help get things rolling here once again, I'd like to propose a "sound-off" or roll call of everyone in this mailing list who is still interested in contributing or participating to efforts to help this SIG begin to move again. This will help us get an idea of who is around, what your skill sets are, and how you would be able to contribute.
I am still interested in games on Fedora. I don't have lots of time, but do keep the Games Spin going. I have provenpackager access which might be occasionally useful, bit there are others who probably still read this list, who do as well.
To help get any interested members onto the same page, there are some resources available to us now to help organize plans, thoughts, and communication. Obviously, this mailing list is a resource, but here are some more:
This is probably a case where if someone leads and asks for help for a specific project, something good might happen. Brainstorming projects without getting people to act as leaders for them as not likely to result in much happening.
There are what look to be good free games that aren't currently packaged for Fedora.
A few years ago we tried having gaming sessions for different games, and turnout was pretty low. I suspect people are more likely to organize by game, then by the distro they play on.
We could use more packagers helping with the games we already have packaged.
Hey Bruno,
On 07/19/2016 08:26 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 19:33:30 -0400, "Justin W. Flory" jflory7@gmail.com wrote:
== Roll call ==
To help get things rolling here once again, I'd like to propose a "sound-off" or roll call of everyone in this mailing list who is still interested in contributing or participating to efforts to help this SIG begin to move again. This will help us get an idea of who is around, what your skill sets are, and how you would be able to contribute.
I am still interested in games on Fedora. I don't have lots of time, but do keep the Games Spin going. I have provenpackager access which might be occasionally useful, bit there are others who probably still read this list, who do as well.
Firstly, thanks for reaching out and maintaining the Games Spin over the years. It'll be great having your input here on the list while we try to get things going and finding a direction for the SIG. Your experience here will definitely be useful.
For this reason, as the maintainer of the Games Spin, I added you to the FAS group and also made you an administrator.
To help get any interested members onto the same page, there are some resources available to us now to help organize plans, thoughts, and communication. Obviously, this mailing list is a resource, but here are some more:
This is probably a case where if someone leads and asks for help for a specific project, something good might happen. Brainstorming projects without getting people to act as leaders for them as not likely to result in much happening.
I agree with you on this. For the interim, I'm willing to help carry the torch and help lead the SIG from a general perspective (my experience with packaging is non-existent, so technical leadership is something that I would like to leave in the hands of an experienced, technical contributor). I think that it's worth pursuing this, as just in the, maybe an hour, after I sent this email, we had a fair number of people arrive in the IRC channel and also the activity on the list has increased at the interest of reviving the SIG. I'm happy to help act as a coordinator and helping support the SIG with writing, promotion, and other ways, but I would definitely enjoy seeing the leadership and participation of experienced packagers / developers in this SIG as well.
There are what look to be good free games that aren't currently packaged for Fedora.
A few years ago we tried having gaming sessions for different games, and turnout was pretty low. I suspect people are more likely to organize by game, then by the distro they play on.
We were discussing in the channel earlier some games "on the radar" that could be included in Fedora. Some of those idling around had ideas for games or even game engines that may be worth pushing for inclusion in Fedora. It might be worth comparing lists of ideas you have along with some of the new ones in channel.
This wiki page was recently updated to describe some of the wishes and plans for growing the SIG again.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games/WishList
We could use more packagers helping with the games we already have packaged.
For reference, are there a list of these games or a rough idea of where to look for games that are already packaged, but need support? It would be useful to have a list of these games so we can either try to find ways of improving support for the game (possibly by trying to work with upstream) or coming with other ideas or ways.
Thanks again for chiming in!
-- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 21:01:28 -0400, "Justin W. Flory" jflory7@gmail.com wrote:
For this reason, as the maintainer of the Games Spin, I added you to the FAS group and also made you an administrator.
What were you thinking of controlling with that group?
We were discussing in the channel earlier some games "on the radar" that could be included in Fedora. Some of those idling around had ideas for games or even game engines that may be worth pushing for inclusion in Fedora. It might be worth comparing lists of ideas you have along with some of the new ones in channel.
I've occasionally added some to the wish list. The recent change in restrictions in emulators could allow some that couldn't be in Fedora in the past.
For reference, are there a list of these games or a rough idea of where to look for games that are already packaged, but need support? It would be useful to have a list of these games so we can either try to find ways of improving support for the game (possibly by trying to work with upstream) or coming with other ideas or ways.
I would guess most of them. Hans seems to have more than he has time for. I have too many, to do a good job on them all and will add any current packager as a co-maintainer for any I am the contact for. Not all games are marked as such in comps, but you could look for the ones that are and have bugs indicating there are upstream updates that aren't in Fedora. That would get some to start with.
Other distros are also a good resource, both for finding games and for help with packaging issues.
On 07/19/2016 09:56 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 21:01:28 -0400, "Justin W. Flory" jflory7@gmail.com wrote:
For this reason, as the maintainer of the Games Spin, I added you to the FAS group and also made you an administrator.
What were you thinking of controlling with that group?
I was mostly thinking of the group serving an organizational purpose. It makes it easy to see who has met the minimum qualification of introducing themselves on the mailing list and has expressed interest in contributing to the SIG (membership in the group could be based off of more qualifications in the future, but I figure for now, it's useful to keep the barrier low and see who all is interested in contributing, and then going from there).
We were discussing in the channel earlier some games "on the radar" that could be included in Fedora. Some of those idling around had ideas for games or even game engines that may be worth pushing for inclusion in Fedora. It might be worth comparing lists of ideas you have along with some of the new ones in channel.
I've occasionally added some to the wish list. The recent change in restrictions in emulators could allow some that couldn't be in Fedora in the past.
From my thoughts, packaging emulators and having a strong experience showcasing them to users is definitely important. Emulators are one of the most common forms of gaming I see around now, so I think if we could create a well-supported environment for emulators, we could use that to help make a larger impact in the FOSS gaming world and also for Fedora.
For reference, are there a list of these games or a rough idea of where to look for games that are already packaged, but need support? It would be useful to have a list of these games so we can either try to find ways of improving support for the game (possibly by trying to work with upstream) or coming with other ideas or ways.
I would guess most of them. Hans seems to have more than he has time for. I have too many, to do a good job on them all and will add any current packager as a co-maintainer for any I am the contact for. Not all games are marked as such in comps, but you could look for the ones that are and have bugs indicating there are upstream updates that aren't in Fedora. That would get some to start with.
Other distros are also a good resource, both for finding games and for help with packaging issues.
Cool, these would definitely be good jumping-off places. I think starting with some games currently packaged in Fedora and bringing them up to speed would be a good way to improve the gaming experience short-term.
-- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com
Hi! I tend to jump from distro to distro... just reinstalled Fedora, in part because this thread. I also tend to go from programming language to others, like Go, D, Haskell, etc. Almost no packaging experience... but I think I could help... a little bit, not having that much time for real projects.
OpenRA seems cool, remember old time :)
Glad to see some activity here!
Hello Paul,
That sounds great! Welcome to the Fedora SIG, we hope that you stay here for a while. You should join us in IRC and we can chat some more
*Brigham Keys, Esq.* |Software Maintainer| On 07/22/2016 03:09 AM, Paul Dufresne wrote:
Hi! I tend to jump from distro to distro... just reinstalled Fedora, in part because this thread. I also tend to go from programming language to others, like Go, D, Haskell, etc. Almost no packaging experience... but I think I could help... a little bit, not having that much time for real projects.
OpenRA seems cool, remember old time :)
Glad to see some activity here! _______________________________________________ games mailing list games@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/games@lists.fedoraproject.org
Hello Paul, Justin
I have 2 suggestions one is maintain and update the game wiki page . https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Games
Second suggestion, is new for everyone, and is bring some games from RPMFusion to Fedora proper, AFAIK some games there could be in Fedora proper (they came from old freshrpms ...) , to have one idea see this link [1]. This link will be updated with more one or two games in next packages push (at least gtetrinet) ...
[1] http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/development/rawhide/Everything/so...
Best regards,
On Sex, 2016-07-22 at 11:50 -0500, Brigham Keys, Esq. wrote:
Hello Paul, That sounds great! Welcome to the Fedora SIG, we hope that you stay here for a while. You should join us in IRC and we can chat some more Brigham Keys, Esq. Software Maintainer On 07/22/2016 03:09 AM, Paul Dufresne wrote:
Hi! I tend to jump from distro to distro... just reinstalled Fedora, in part because this thread. I also tend to go from programming language to others, like Go, D, Haskell, etc. Almost no packaging experience... but I think I could help... a little bit, not having that much time for real projects.
OpenRA seems cool, remember old time :)
Glad to see some activity here! _______________________________________________ games mailing list games@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/games@lists.fedoraproje ct.org
_______________________________________________ games mailing list games@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/games@lists.fedoraproject .org
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Sérgio Basto sergio@serjux.com wrote:
Second suggestion, is new for everyone, and is bring some games from RPMFusion to Fedora proper, AFAIK some games there could be in Fedora proper (they came from old freshrpms ...) , to have one idea see this link [1]. This link will be updated with more one or two games in next packages push (at least gtetrinet) ...
In addition to those, I know that UFO:AI was in RPM Fusion, but since resolved licensing issues making it eligible for inclusion in Fedora proper. There is an open review ticket that was blocked due to font packaging issues, but that seems to have been resolved. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1157255
Ben Rosser
On 07/23/2016 06:26 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote:
Hello Paul, Justin
I have 2 suggestions one is maintain and update the game wiki page . https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Games
Second suggestion, is new for everyone, and is bring some games from RPMFusion to Fedora proper, AFAIK some games there could be in Fedora proper (they came from old freshrpms ...) , to have one idea see this link [1]. This link will be updated with more one or two games in next packages push (at least gtetrinet) ...
[1] http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/development/rawhide/Everything/so...
Best regards,
Hi Sérgio,
I know Brigham did a lot of work to updating the content on the wiki page already for the current year, which was definitely helpful. I was hoping to take my own spin towards it and maybe reorganize the page to make it more clear / informative for what we're actively working, what kinds of goals we have as a SIG, as well as make it clear for how others could get involved. I'm going to try to work on this in the coming week, and will definitely put any updates here on our mailing list.
I think it makes sense for us to start identifying some more games from other places that we could bring into Fedora now. I think some of this discussion has already been happening in the IRC channel, but I'm unfortunately very behind on a lot of discussion and activity (as you can probably guess by the fact that I'm replying to this email now).
Perhaps it would be helpful for us to find a meeting time once a week or once every other week where we can work on finding targets and areas to focus on together, while we're all at the keyboard. Curious to know what you all think!
On Sex, 2016-07-22 at 11:50 -0500, Brigham Keys, Esq. wrote:
Hello Paul, That sounds great! Welcome to the Fedora SIG, we hope that you stay here for a while. You should join us in IRC and we can chat some more Brigham Keys, Esq. Software Maintainer On 07/22/2016 03:09 AM, Paul Dufresne wrote:
Hi! I tend to jump from distro to distro... just reinstalled Fedora, in part because this thread. I also tend to go from programming language to others, like Go, D, Haskell, etc. Almost no packaging experience... but I think I could help... a little bit, not having that much time for real projects.
OpenRA seems cool, remember old time :)
Glad to see some activity here!
-- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com
Hi,
On Seg, 2016-08-08 at 11:16 -0400, Justin W. Flory wrote:
On 07/23/2016 06:26 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote:
Hello Paul, Justin
I have 2 suggestions one is maintain and update the game wiki page . https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Games
Second suggestion, is new for everyone, and is bring some games from RPMFusion to Fedora proper, AFAIK some games there could be in Fedora proper (they came from old freshrpms ...) , to have one idea see this link [1]. This link will be updated with more one or two games in next packages push (at least gtetrinet) ...
[1] http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/development/rawhide/ Everything/source/SRPMS/repoview/amusements.games.group.html
Best regards,
Hi Sérgio,
I know Brigham did a lot of work to updating the content on the wiki page already for the current year, which was definitely helpful. I was hoping to take my own spin towards it and maybe reorganize the page to make it more clear / informative for what we're actively working, what kinds of goals we have as a SIG, as well as make it clear for how others could get involved. I'm going to try to work on this in the coming week, and will definitely put any updates here on our mailing list.
I think it makes sense for us to start identifying some more games from other places that we could bring into Fedora now. I think some of this discussion has already been happening in the IRC channel, but I'm unfortunately very behind on a lot of discussion and activity (as you can probably guess by the fact that I'm replying to this email now).
Perhaps it would be helpful for us to find a meeting time once a week or once every other week where we can work on finding targets and areas to focus on together, while we're all at the keyboard. Curious to know what you all think!
Sorry late reply, unfortunately games are my lower priority, but yes have an well organized game library is good, so please update wiki page as you like, I also am a little newer in this Mailing List .
In meantime, I take care of tetrinetx.
For a better organization bring games that we can from RPMFusion [1] to Fedora proper can be good but it will take a lot of work , especially if we bring one by one, check license, package review , approve, and retire in RPMfusion ... if we could do this in a bulk, I would prefer . About focus, many games have stopped the development and we just can build it with deprecated software, I mean for example ltris that use SDL1, many others still in gtk2, if we can have expertises in these areas (SDL, qt4, gtk2, gnome2, sound output etc), we can make our life simpler.
[1] http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/development/25/Everything/so urce/SRPMS/repoview/amusements.games.group.html
Thanks,
On Sex, 2016-08-26 at 19:52 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote:
Hi,
On Seg, 2016-08-08 at 11:16 -0400, Justin W. Flory wrote:
On 07/23/2016 06:26 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote:
Hello Paul, Justin
I have 2 suggestions one is maintain and update the game wiki page . https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Games
Second suggestion, is new for everyone, and is bring some games from RPMFusion to Fedora proper, AFAIK some games there could be in Fedora proper (they came from old freshrpms ...) , to have one idea see this link [1]. This link will be updated with more one or two games in next packages push (at least gtetrinet) ...
[1] http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/development/rawhid e/ Everything/source/SRPMS/repoview/amusements.games.group.html
Best regards,
Hi Sérgio,
I know Brigham did a lot of work to updating the content on the wiki page already for the current year, which was definitely helpful. I was hoping to take my own spin towards it and maybe reorganize the page to make it more clear / informative for what we're actively working, what kinds of goals we have as a SIG, as well as make it clear for how others could get involved. I'm going to try to work on this in the coming week, and will definitely put any updates here on our mailing list.
I think it makes sense for us to start identifying some more games from other places that we could bring into Fedora now. I think some of this discussion has already been happening in the IRC channel, but I'm unfortunately very behind on a lot of discussion and activity (as you can probably guess by the fact that I'm replying to this email now).
Perhaps it would be helpful for us to find a meeting time once a week or once every other week where we can work on finding targets and areas to focus on together, while we're all at the keyboard. Curious to know what you all think!
Sorry for late reply, unfortunately games are my lower priority, but yes have an well organized game library is good, so please update wiki page as you like, I also am a little newer in this Mailing List .
In meantime, I take care of tetrinetx.
For a better organization bring games that we can from RPMFusion [1] to Fedora proper can be good but it will take a lot of work , especially if we bring one by one, check license, package review , approve, and retire in RPMfusion ... if we could do this in a bulk, I would prefer . About focus, many games have stopped the development and we just can build it with deprecated software, I mean for example ltris that use SDL1, many others still in gtk2, if we can have expertises in these areas (SDL, qt4, gtk2, gnome2, sound output etc),
and migrate deprecated software for newer versions
we can make our life simpler.
[1] http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/development/25/Everything/ so urce/SRPMS/repoview/amusements.games.group.html
Thanks,
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 19:52:51 +0100, Sérgio Basto sergio@serjux.com wrote:
About focus, many games have stopped the development and we just can build it with deprecated software, I mean for example ltris that use SDL1, many others still in gtk2, if we can have expertises in these areas (SDL, qt4, gtk2, gnome2, sound output etc), we can make our life simpler.
An surprisingly we need some php help for maniadrive, Sérgio has help a lot, but there are still problems with it on f25+. If we don't get it fixed in a few weeks, it will get dropped from Fedora.
Hi,
On 20-07-16 03:56, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 21:01:28 -0400, "Justin W. Flory" jflory7@gmail.com wrote:
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For reference, are there a list of these games or a rough idea of where to look for games that are already packaged, but need support? It would be useful to have a list of these games so we can either try to find ways of improving support for the game (possibly by trying to work with upstream) or coming with other ideas or ways.
I would guess most of them. Hans seems to have more than he has time for.
Ack, I will happily accept co-maintainers for any of my pkgs, or just simply give them away if people want to take them over completely.
Note I'm still interested in Gaming on Linux and I will happily help where I can, it is best to just ask me for help if you want something specifically from me). Unfortunately I've too many other projects, so my game related contributions are quite minimal lately and likely will stay that way.
Regards,
Hans
Hi,
we would need some help in the Mono SIG with the game OpenRA ¹, a clone of the once famous C&C strategy games. There is already a bunch of requests waiting for package review of the dependencies, please look into the tracker bug ².
It would be nice if we can get further here with all the unbundling work.
Thanks in advance!
~R.
² https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1159091
Am 20.07.2016 um 01:33 schrieb Justin W. Flory:
Hello all!
I know this mailing list has been mostly inactive for quite some time and a lot of the initial inertia for the tasks that this SIG was responsible have fallen by the wayside over the years.
== Bringing back the SIG ==
Today, some extended discussion happened across #fedora-games / #fedora-join on IRC for how to bring back some life to this SIG. bkeys and I had discussed ideas about bringing information and tools in the open source gaming world into Fedora and communicate that with users.
== Roll call ==
To help get things rolling here once again, I'd like to propose a "sound-off" or roll call of everyone in this mailing list who is still interested in contributing or participating to efforts to help this SIG begin to move again. This will help us get an idea of who is around, what your skill sets are, and how you would be able to contribute.
== Resources ==
To help get any interested members onto the same page, there are some resources available to us now to help organize plans, thoughts, and communication. Obviously, this mailing list is a resource, but here are some more:
- IRC: #fedora-games on irc.freenode.net
- FAS: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/games-sig
(apply after (re-)sending an introduction to the list)
- Wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games
It would be great to see some more people hang out in the IRC channel as well.
Thanks everyone! Hoping to see where things go from here. :) My own introduction will be coming shortly...
games mailing list games@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/games@lists.fedoraproject.org