Dear All,
FUEL Mobile malayalam community review workshop is planned on March 12th at Technopark Trivandrum . The program is organised by ICFOSS, Swathanthra Malayalam Computing and Fuelproject
This is part of ICFOSS & Swatanthra Malayalam computing's ongoing efforts on improving indic support in mobile computing .We are invited around 30 people including Linguists, Media persons, Language experts, Academitians, School teachers , L10n community members, FOSS community and representatives of Govt institutions for the program.
Date : 12th March 2014 Venue: Malabar Hall, Park Centre, Technopark, Trivandrum Time: 9 AM- 5 PM
If any one from FUEL community wants to participate in this program please drop a mail to contact@smc.org.in or anivar@icfoss.in
About ICFOSS
ICFOSS is an autonomous institution under the Government of Kerala, mandated with the objectives of co-ordinating FOSS initiatives within Kerala, as well as linking up with FOSS initiatives in other parts of the world in order to push the agenda of promoting democratic access to information and knowledge through equitable models of production and distribution of software in particular and knowledge in general. Details at http://icfoss.in
About Swathanthra Malaylam Computing
Swathanthra Malayalam Computing (SMC) is a free software project engaged in development, localization, standardization and popularization of various Free and Open Source Software in Indian Languages with a special emphasis on Malayalam Language. Details at http://smc.org.in
About FUELproject
FUEL(Frequently used entries in Localization) aims at solving the problem of inconsistency and lack of standardization in software translation across the platform. It works to provide a standardized and consistent look of the computer for a language users. FUEL works to create linguistic and technical resources like standardized terminology resources, computer translation style and convention guides, and assessment methodologies. Details at http://fuelproject.org/
~ regards
Anivar Aravind consultant,ICFOSS Secretary, Swatanthra Malayalam Computing
On 03/07/2014 12:59 PM, Anivar Aravind wrote:
Dear All,
Hi Anivar,
Thank you very much for the initiative. This is indeed going to be very helpful for the FUEL Mobile module, as we had only one language (that is Marathi) evaluated for FUEL Mobile. Btw, do you guys have any public page where the details of this workshop is being provided? All I know about is, http://programs.icfoss.org/wfm/about.html
FUEL Mobile malayalam community review workshop is planned on March 12th at Technopark Trivandrum.
FUEL Project follows Select -> Translate -> Evaluate model to review and finalize the terminologies.
To 'review', 'translation' needs to be completed.
Yes, I am aware that translations are getting submitted on Zanata: https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/iteration/files/fuel-project/FUEL-Mobile... (~ 87% completed)
The program is organised by ICFOSS, Swathanthra Malayalam Computing and Fuelproject
[...]
If any one from FUEL community wants to participate in this program please drop a mail to contact@smc.org.in mailto:contact@smc.org.in or anivar@icfoss.in mailto:anivar@icfoss.in
Both of the above statements contradict!
Thanks,
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Ankit Patel ankit644@yahoo.com wrote:
On 03/07/2014 12:59 PM, Anivar Aravind wrote:
Dear All,
Hi Anivar,
Thank you very much for the initiative. This is indeed going to be very helpful for the FUEL Mobile module, as we had only one language (that is Marathi) evaluated for FUEL Mobile. Btw, do you guys have any public page where the details of this workshop is being provided? All I know about is, http://programs.icfoss.org/wfm/about.html
Since this is an invitation only workshop, There is no public page yet for the program. the page you have linked is a separate program, and we are conducting both of them together on same dates .
FUEL Mobile malayalam community review workshop is planned on March 12th at Technopark Trivandrum.
FUEL Project follows Select -> Translate -> Evaluate model to review and finalize the terminologies.
To 'review', 'translation' needs to be completed.
Yes, I am aware that translations are getting submitted on Zanata: https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/iteration/files/fuel- project/FUEL-Mobile/ml (~ 87% completed)
We have competed 4 versions of FUEL Mobile translations by various set of people (and many of them are not PO files). we will evaluate them in the workshop and submit to upstream . What is available upstream now is by anish , using Zanata.
The program is organised by ICFOSS, Swathanthra Malayalam Computing
and Fuelproject
[...]
If any one from FUEL community wants to participate in this program please drop a mail to contact@smc.org.in mailto:contact@smc.org.in or anivar@icfoss.in mailto:anivar@icfoss.in
Both of the above statements contradict!
Please explain . I cant understand your point
Since we have a cap on numbers, and since the venue is inside a ITpark with security checks . there is a need for an invitation , and names at our end to ensure there participation.
Anivar
On 03/07/2014 03:32 PM, Anivar Aravind wrote:
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Ankit Patel <ankit644@yahoo.com mailto:ankit644@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 03/07/2014 12:59 PM, Anivar Aravind wrote: Dear All, Hi Anivar, Thank you very much for the initiative. This is indeed going to be very helpful for the FUEL Mobile module, as we had only one language (that is Marathi) evaluated for FUEL Mobile. Btw, do you guys have any public page where the details of this workshop is being provided? All I know about is, http://programs.icfoss.org/__wfm/about.html <http://programs.icfoss.org/wfm/about.html>
Since this is an invitation only workshop, There is no public page yet for the program. the page you have linked is a separate program, and we are conducting both of them together on same dates .
Thanks for the clarification.
Please share some report at least end of the event, if not in the beginning.
FUEL Mobile malayalam community review workshop is planned on March 12th at Technopark Trivandrum. FUEL Project follows Select -> Translate -> Evaluate model to review and finalize the terminologies. To 'review', 'translation' needs to be completed. Yes, I am aware that translations are getting submitted on Zanata: https://translate.zanata.org/__zanata/iteration/files/fuel-__project/FUEL-Mobile/ml <https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/iteration/files/fuel-project/FUEL-Mobile/ml> (~ 87% completed)
We have competed 4 versions of FUEL Mobile translations by various set of people (and many of them are not PO files). we will evaluate them in the workshop and submit to upstream . What is available upstream now is by anish , using Zanata.
I see. If you could send me those 4 completed versions of FUEL Mobile translations, I can archive them in FUEL Git repository (with author information as SMC or you or whoever has translated those) even if they are not in PO file format.
End of the event, the final evaluated FUEL Mobile Malayalam translations can be placed in the SVN repository where we archive all evaluated translations.
The program is organised by ICFOSS, Swathanthra Malayalam Computing and Fuelproject [...] If any one from FUEL community wants to participate in this program please drop a mail to contact@smc.org.in <mailto:contact@smc.org.in> <mailto:contact@smc.org.in <mailto:contact@smc.org.in>> or anivar@icfoss.in <mailto:anivar@icfoss.in> <mailto:anivar@icfoss.in <mailto:anivar@icfoss.in>> Both of the above statements contradict!
Please explain . I cant understand your point
The point here is, how can Fuelproject be an organizer (or one of the organizers) where the members of Fuelproject itself are not well aware of the event? More importantly, what's Fuelproject doing here in terms of organizing this event?
Since we have a cap on numbers, and since the venue is inside a ITpark with security checks . there is a need for an invitation , and names at our end to ensure there participation.
I understand. Names are required for specific records.
Anivar
Thanks,
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Ankit Patel ankit644@yahoo.com wrote:
On 03/07/2014 03:32 PM, Anivar Aravind wrote:
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Ankit Patel <ankit644@yahoo.com mailto:ankit644@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 03/07/2014 12:59 PM, Anivar Aravind wrote: Dear All, Hi Anivar, Thank you very much for the initiative. This is indeed going to be
very helpful for the FUEL Mobile module, as we had only one language (that is Marathi) evaluated for FUEL Mobile. Btw, do you guys have any public page where the details of this workshop is being provided? All I know about is, http://programs.icfoss.org/__wfm/about.html
<http://programs.icfoss.org/wfm/about.html>
Since this is an invitation only workshop, There is no public page yet for the program. the page you have linked is a separate program, and we are conducting both of them together on same dates .
Thanks for the clarification.
Please share some report at least end of the event, if not in the beginning.
Sure . As usual reports are always published after the event
FUEL Mobile malayalam community review workshop is planned on
March 12th at Technopark Trivandrum.
FUEL Project follows Select -> Translate -> Evaluate model to review
and finalize the terminologies.
To 'review', 'translation' needs to be completed. Yes, I am aware that translations are getting submitted on Zanata: https://translate.zanata.org/__zanata/iteration/files/fuel-_
_project/FUEL-Mobile/ml
<https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/iteration/files/fuel-
project/FUEL-Mobile/ml> (~ 87% completed)
We have competed 4 versions of FUEL Mobile translations by various set of people (and many of them are not PO files). we will evaluate them in the workshop and submit to upstream . What is available upstream now is by anish , using Zanata.
I see. If you could send me those 4 completed versions of FUEL Mobile translations, I can archive them in FUEL Git repository (with author information as SMC or you or whoever has translated those) even if they are not in PO file format.
End of the event, the final evaluated FUEL Mobile Malayalam translations can be placed in the SVN repository where we archive all evaluated translations.
All the inputs will be archived at our side as a part of this process. No need to worry about loosing them You can pull them from this git repository when they are available online . https://github.com/smc/fuel/tree/master/mobile and SMC review of translations is yet to be completed prior to the program As in any free software project reviewed translations will be usually committed upstream with all contributor details. Leave rest to the local community.
The program is organised by ICFOSS, Swathanthra Malayalam
Computing and Fuelproject
[...] If any one from FUEL community wants to participate in this
program please drop a mail to contact@smc.org.in mailto:contact@smc.org.in <mailto:contact@smc.org.in
<mailto:contact@smc.org.in>> or anivar@icfoss.in <mailto:anivar@icfoss.in> <mailto:anivar@icfoss.in <mailto:anivar@icfoss.in>> Both of the above statements contradict!
Please explain . I cant understand your point
The point here is, how can Fuelproject be an organizer (or one of the organizers) where the members of Fuelproject itself are not well aware of the event? More importantly, what's Fuelproject doing here in terms of organizing this event?
As of now Fuelproject does not have any role in organising the event apart from the point that we are using the context words developed by Fuelproject . Short version is Fuelproject is added as an organiser as a part of the efforts to build more visibility and recognition for Fuelproject
Since there is a question raised i will clarify the steps involved
1. We communicated the interest in working with Fuelproject nand using fuel-mobile in mid 2013 as a part of DIT-ICFOSS R&D project in collaboration with swathanthra malayalam computing and same was announced in FUEL-GLIT Conference 2013
2. From Last January I was in communication with Aniipeter from FUEL project , who is coordinating malayalam. We initially planned this workshop in February 1st week , then got shifted to march and we informed this informally on February last week and by mail on March 1st. Hope any can share more on this
3. We requested for physical presence of Ani and whoever possible from FUEL core team and also requested partial support of travel expenses for participants. But since that was a late notice it was rejected and communicated over phone. And we really insisted on participation of ani peter and asked her to try her best
4. Prior to sending the announcement mail and participant invites , I called Rakesh Ranjan from Fuel team and ensured his permission
Hope this clarifies.
~ regards Anivar
On 03/07/2014 08:35 PM, Anivar Aravind wrote:
All the inputs will be archived at our side as a part of this process. No need to worry about loosing them You can pull them from this git repository when they are available online . https://github.com/smc/fuel/tree/master/mobile
Hi Anivar,
You said "We have completed 4 versions of FUEL Mobile translations..." and now when I visit the above URL all I could find is one single PO file translated by Anish from Zanata. Are other 4 files stored somewhere else?
and SMC review of translations is yet to be completed prior to the program As in any free software project reviewed translations will be usually committed upstream with all contributor details. Leave rest to the local community.
Yes, absolutely.
As of now Fuelproject does not have any role in organising the event apart from the point that we are using the context words developed by Fuelproject . Short version is Fuelproject is added as an organiser as a part of the efforts to build more visibility and recognition for Fuelproject
Is that what qualifies an organization or an entity (or a project) to be listed as an Organizer of the event? I am sorry but I may seek for an expert advice here since I have a very limited knowledge with organizing events.
Since there is a question raised i will clarify the steps involved
- We communicated the interest in working with Fuelproject nand using
fuel-mobile in mid 2013 as a part of DIT-ICFOSS R&D project in collaboration with swathanthra malayalam computing and same was announced in FUEL-GLIT Conference 2013
- From Last January I was in communication with Aniipeter from FUEL
project , who is coordinating malayalam. We initially planned this workshop in February 1st week , then got shifted to march and we informed this informally on February last week and by mail on March 1st. Hope any can share more on this
- We requested for physical presence of Ani and whoever possible from FUEL
core team and also requested partial support of travel expenses for participants. But since that was a late notice it was rejected and communicated over phone. And we really insisted on participation of ani peter and asked her to try her best
- Prior to sending the announcement mail and participant invites , I
called Rakesh Ranjan from Fuel team and ensured his permission
Hope this clarifies.
Yes, it clarifies that the event is planned well in advance.
~ regards Anivar
Thank you for all your efforts arranging FUEL Mobile Malayalam community workshop. This is indeed in the good faith of the FUEL Project. Unfortunately none of the FUEL Project members would be able to make it, however we can try to support virtually via an irc chat for any crucial conversation during the review meet if you need so.
Wish you all the best and once again thanks for all the efforts.
Thanks,
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Ankit Patel ankit644@yahoo.com wrote:
On 03/07/2014 08:35 PM, Anivar Aravind wrote:
All the inputs will be archived at our side as a part of this process. No need to worry about loosing them You can pull them from this git repository when they are available online . https://github.com/smc/fuel/tree/master/mobile
Hi Anivar,
You said "We have completed 4 versions of FUEL Mobile translations..." and now when I visit the above URL all I could find is one single PO file translated by Anish from Zanata. Are other 4 files stored somewhere else?
As I said before those are not available online at this point. You can pull them from this git repository when they are available online .
and SMC review of translations is yet to be completed prior to the program
As in any free software project reviewed translations will be usually committed upstream with all contributor details. Leave rest to the local community.
Yes, absolutely.
As of now Fuelproject does not have any role in organising the event
apart from the point that we are using the context words developed by Fuelproject . Short version is Fuelproject is added as an organiser as a part of the efforts to build more visibility and recognition for Fuelproject
Is that what qualifies an organization or an entity (or a project) to be listed as an Organizer of the event? I am sorry but I may seek for an expert advice here since I have a very limited knowledge with organizing events.
Let me clarify it plain simple words. There is no FUEL community exists for Malayalam. There was some efforts in past but that was not sustained SMC is coordinating all the L10n works including FUEL for malayalam If you want to grow the community around fuel , you must start at some point As a FOSS community projects FUEL needs more visibility among various language communities and stakeholders . Since there is no fuel community you can be an organizer only in terms of physical presence or sharing expenses And both are not possible for your team at this time. But Adding fuelproject as an organizer (after communicating to some key contributors) is a way to increase increase the project visibility and we are very happy to grant that (after seeking permissions from your core team members)
Since there is a question raised i will clarify the steps involved
- We communicated the interest in working with Fuelproject nand using
fuel-mobile in mid 2013 as a part of DIT-ICFOSS R&D project in collaboration with swathanthra malayalam computing and same was announced in FUEL-GLIT Conference 2013
- From Last January I was in communication with Aniipeter from FUEL
project , who is coordinating malayalam. We initially planned this workshop in February 1st week , then got shifted to march and we informed this informally on February last week and by mail on March 1st. Hope any can share more on this
- We requested for physical presence of Ani and whoever possible from FUEL
core team and also requested partial support of travel expenses for participants. But since that was a late notice it was rejected and communicated over phone. And we really insisted on participation of ani peter and asked her to try her best
- Prior to sending the announcement mail and participant invites , I
called Rakesh Ranjan from Fuel team and ensured his permission
Hope this clarifies.
Yes, it clarifies that the event is planned well in advance.
~ regards Anivar
Thank you for all your efforts arranging FUEL Mobile Malayalam community workshop. This is indeed in the good faith of the FUEL Project. Unfortunately none of the FUEL Project members would be able to make it, however we can try to support virtually via an irc chat for any crucial conversation during the review meet if you need so.
Wish you all the best and once again thanks for all the efforts.
Thanks,
Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.ankit644.com/ http://www.fuelproject.org/
fuel-discuss mailing list fuel-discuss@lists.fedorahosted.org https://lists.fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/fuel-discuss
Hi Anivar
First of all thanks a lot to ICFOSS and SMC for taking the initiative for review workshop of fuel-mobile module!
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Anivar Aravind anivar.aravind@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Ankit Patel ankit644@yahoo.com wrote:
On 03/07/2014 08:35 PM, Anivar Aravind wrote:
All the inputs will be archived at our side as a part of this process. No need to worry about loosing them You can pull them from this git repository when they are available online . https://github.com/smc/fuel/tree/master/mobile
Hi Anivar,
You said "We have completed 4 versions of FUEL Mobile translations..." and now when I visit the above URL all I could find is one single PO file translated by Anish from Zanata. Are other 4 files stored somewhere else?
As I said before those are not available online at this point. You can pull them from this git repository when they are available online .
and SMC review of translations is yet to be completed prior to the
program As in any free software project reviewed translations will be usually committed upstream with all contributor details. Leave rest to the local community.
Yes, absolutely.
As of now Fuelproject does not have any role in organising the event
apart from the point that we are using the context words developed by Fuelproject . Short version is Fuelproject is added as an organiser as a part of the efforts to build more visibility and recognition for Fuelproject
Is that what qualifies an organization or an entity (or a project) to be listed as an Organizer of the event? I am sorry but I may seek for an expert advice here since I have a very limited knowledge with organizing events.
Let me clarify it plain simple words. There is no FUEL community exists for Malayalam. There was some efforts in past but that was not sustained SMC is coordinating all the L10n works including FUEL for malayalam If you want to grow the community around fuel , you must start at some point As a FOSS community projects FUEL needs more visibility among various language communities and stakeholders . Since there is no fuel community you can be an organizer only in terms of physical presence or sharing expenses And both are not possible for your team at this time. But Adding fuelproject as an organizer (after communicating to some key contributors) is a way to increase increase the project visibility and we are very happy to grant that (after seeking permissions from your core team members)
I communicated a bit late to Ankit about my telephonic conversation with you. Who should be organizer or not a organizer is a small issue, more important things are event, completion of review etc.
Physical presence or sharing expenses - just more than a week before we got to know about the event and you can understand that in that short period it is difficult for any open source project. If communicated at least by informing us about probable event dates at least 3-4 weeks before, it would be much easier for us to be an active part of the event.
I don't think FUEL ever planned to grow community around each language. Rather we try to work with the existing language community working generally in open source field along with like minded different organizations. Growing community for each language under FUEL is not a solution at all. So in this case at present for Malyalam SMC is the community and ICFOSS is the organization who is helping us. Likewise, as you announced in the FUEL GILt conference 2013, if ICFOSS decides to do for it Hindi, I would like to get help from existing Hindi community working in the field of foss localization.
Since there is a question raised i will clarify the steps involved
- We communicated the interest in working with Fuelproject nand using
fuel-mobile in mid 2013 as a part of DIT-ICFOSS R&D project in collaboration with swathanthra malayalam computing and same was announced in FUEL-GLIT Conference 2013
- From Last January I was in communication with Aniipeter from FUEL
project , who is coordinating malayalam. We initially planned this workshop in February 1st week , then got shifted to march and we informed this informally on February last week and by mail on March 1st. Hope any can share more on this
- We requested for physical presence of Ani and whoever possible from
FUEL core team and also requested partial support of travel expenses for participants. But since that was a late notice it was rejected and communicated over phone. And we really insisted on participation of ani peter and asked her to try her best
- Prior to sending the announcement mail and participant invites , I
called Rakesh Ranjan from Fuel team and ensured his permission
s/Rakesh/Rajesh :-)
Hope this clarifies.
Yes, it clarifies that the event is planned well in advance.
~ regards Anivar
Thank you for all your efforts arranging FUEL Mobile Malayalam community workshop. This is indeed in the good faith of the FUEL Project. Unfortunately none of the FUEL Project members would be able to make it, however we can try to support virtually via an irc chat for any crucial conversation during the review meet if you need so.
Wish you all the best and once again thanks for all the efforts.
Thanks,
As Ankit wrote, if you need any help during review meetup we can be available via mail/irc etc. Wishing you all the best for the event.
Regards, Rajesh Ranjan
twitter: @kajha https://twitter.com/kajha facebook: rajeshkajha http://www.facebook.com/rajeshkajha www.rajeshranjan.in
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Rajesh Ranjan rajesh672@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Anivar
First of all thanks a lot to ICFOSS and SMC for taking the initiative for review workshop of fuel-mobile module!
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Anivar Aravind anivar.aravind@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Ankit Patel ankit644@yahoo.com wrote:
On 03/07/2014 08:35 PM, Anivar Aravind wrote:
All the inputs will be archived at our side as a part of this process. No need to worry about loosing them You can pull them from this git repository when they are available online . https://github.com/smc/fuel/tree/master/mobile
Hi Anivar,
You said "We have completed 4 versions of FUEL Mobile translations..." and now when I visit the above URL all I could find is one single PO file translated by Anish from Zanata. Are other 4 files stored somewhere else?
As I said before those are not available online at this point. You can pull them from this git repository when they are available online .
and SMC review of translations is yet to be completed prior to the
program As in any free software project reviewed translations will be usually committed upstream with all contributor details. Leave rest to the local community.
Yes, absolutely.
As of now Fuelproject does not have any role in organising the event
apart from the point that we are using the context words developed by Fuelproject . Short version is Fuelproject is added as an organiser as a part of the efforts to build more visibility and recognition for Fuelproject
Is that what qualifies an organization or an entity (or a project) to be listed as an Organizer of the event? I am sorry but I may seek for an expert advice here since I have a very limited knowledge with organizing events.
Let me clarify it plain simple words. There is no FUEL community exists for Malayalam. There was some efforts in past but that was not sustained SMC is coordinating all the L10n works including FUEL for malayalam If you want to grow the community around fuel , you must start at some point As a FOSS community projects FUEL needs more visibility among various language communities and stakeholders . Since there is no fuel community you can be an organizer only in terms of physical presence or sharing expenses And both are not possible for your team at this time. But Adding fuelproject as an organizer (after communicating to some key contributors) is a way to increase increase the project visibility and we are very happy to grant that (after seeking permissions from your core team members)
I communicated a bit late to Ankit about my telephonic conversation with you. Who should be organizer or not a organizer is a small issue, more important things are event, completion of review etc.
Physical presence or sharing expenses - just more than a week before we got to know about the event and you can understand that in that short period it is difficult for any open source project. If communicated at least by informing us about probable event dates at least 3-4 weeks before, it would be much easier for us to be an active part of the event.
No problem at all. Since there was too much questions on "organizer status" , I wanted to clarify the efforts made .
I don't think FUEL ever planned to grow community around each language. Rather we try to work with the existing language community working generally in open source field along with like minded different organizations. Growing community for each language under FUEL is not a solution at all. So in this case at present for Malyalam SMC is the community and ICFOSS is the organization who is helping us. Likewise, as you announced in the FUEL GILt conference 2013, if ICFOSS decides to do for it Hindi, I would like to get help from existing Hindi community working in the field of foss localization.
Thanks Rajesh for making it clear .
fuel-discuss@lists.fedorahosted.org