[Bug 414427] Should use "Document font" and "Fixed width font" families from gnome settings
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Masayuki Nakano (Mozilla Japan) <masayuki(a)d-toybox.com> changed:
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--- Comment #19 from Masayuki Nakano (Mozilla Japan) <masayuki(a)d-toybox.com> 2008-12-06 11:30:09 PST ---
(In reply to comment #17)
> It was a "thought-shortcut", don't worry, I know about such situations. The
> problem is that default font set is different on all platforms, but SVG fonts
> and downloadable fonts (CSS3) will help it change in future.
This is not true for Chinese and Japanese. The downloadable fonts are usable
only in some languages which don't have many characters. If many web sites
prepare the downloadable fonts for Chinese or Japanese characters, users need
to download the large font files on each web sites. The file size is several MB
at least.
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[Bug 414427] Should use "Document font" and "Fixed width font" families from gnome settings
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--- Comment #16 from David Baron [:dbaron] <dbaron(a)dbaron.org> 2008-12-06 10:57:13 PST ---
(In reply to comment #15)
> I think it would be good, since it would affect only elements on webpage that
> have no font-family defined in CSS.
That's not true; our font preferences define the user's preference for the CSS
generic families 'serif' and 'sans-serif', and then choose which one is the
default. So if we have a different default font, that implies having a
different value for either 'serif' or 'sans-serif', which means that either Web
pages that specify:
font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
or:
font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
will display differently, assuming you don't have Helvetica, Arial, Times New
Roman, and Times.
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[Bug 414427] Should use "Document font" and "Fixed width font" families from gnome settings
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--- Comment #11 from David Baron [:dbaron] <dbaron(a)dbaron.org> 2008-12-06 09:52:53 PST ---
(In reply to comment #10)
> The Linux situation is very different from the Windows situation where Firefox
> can just use the proprietary Microsoft fonts. Linux font offerings are very
> diverse and the default prefs.js Firefox settings are almost always wrong for
> this platform.
Um, our default fonts on Linux are either 'serif' or 'sans-serif', which both
map to fontconfig default sets. So I don't see how the diversity is relevant
here; we're already picking it up automatically.
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--- Comment #10 from Nicolas Mailhot <Nicolas.Mailhot(a)laPoste.net> 2008-12-06 09:45:08 PST ---
(In reply to comment #8)
> I'm also not sure how well this proposal would work across languages; there may
> be some language groups that really do prefer defaulting to serif rather than
> sans-serif, I think, but is GNOME's default always sans, and isn't
> language-group-specific?
The request is to hook in the current desktop settings exposed via XSettings to
apps. Those settings are already QAed for i18n, because you know, every well
behaved app installed uses them, so they better work. They correspond to fonts
actually installed on the system and to the user actual preferences. A user can
choose a serif default or even a specific font family if he so wishes.
There is *zero* value added in trying to bypass those settings by using
different lists.
> (If it's locale-specific, that's even worse; I'd
> really prefer that English Web pages display the same by default on any locale
> system, and likewise for Japanese Web pages, etc.)
It's not locale-specific.
> Given the amount of work involved (relative to the amount of benefit, which
> seems to me only questionably positive),
I think you do not understand the benefit.
The benefit for the user is Firefox just works like his other apps. As opposed
to Firefox behaving weirdly, trying to use different settings that other
applications, trying to use fonts not available on the system, and ignoring
fonts actually installed. The web is littered with Linux users asking why the
hell Firefox is misbehaving and using different fonts than other apps.
The user should not have to configure font settings in Firefox when his desktop
settings already work (either because the defaults were fine or because he
changed them to suit his tastes). Especially given the Firefox font defaults UI
is not exactly user-friendly.
The Linux situation is very different from the Windows situation where Firefox
can just use the proprietary Microsoft fonts. Linux font offerings are very
diverse and the default prefs.js Firefox settings are almost always wrong for
this platform.
> this doesn't seem like a particularly high priority to me.
It is sad to see that Mozilla developpers continue to have so little
understanding of free and open systems.
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