There's also:

3) i *really* want to come to flock but i cannot afford it on my own (US is expensive, visas are expensive, maybe they are a student or unemployed or otherwise not of means) so i need funding help and part of the reason im proposing a talk is to better my funding chances but if i dont get funding i cant go and i dont want to pay for reg when i cant even go

I think #3 is like 80% of the cases here at the least.

Making people pay to register for something theyre not able to go to seems scammy to me.

~m

On June 23, 2017 12:24:58 PM EDT, Josh Boyer <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Matthew Miller
<mattdm@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 04:57:01PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Many speakers (~20) did not register for Flock when submitting their
proposals. They didn't want to register because they weren't going
to come unless their proposal was accepted.

Maybe this is harsh, but my first reaction is that people who aren't
interested in coming if their session proposal isn't accepted have the
wrong motiviation for Flock anyway. I think we solve this simply by
requiring registration to submit.

There are two main cases:

1) I want to attend Flock, but I cannot get my employer/sponsor to
fund it if I do not get a talk accepted
2) I want to attend Flock to present about $my_thing but that's about it

You can message to death about not needing to be accepted to be part
of Flock in the case of 1, but that's a really hard concept for
employers to get their head around. It comes off as "yeah, send your
people to Flock because we want more attendees!", which makes it no
different than any other conference that just wants people. If you
add an explicit *invite* system for people needed and why they are
needed, that helps. But I suspect you'll have a lot of people not
registering until they get their talk submitted because of that
reason.

The second case is probably more in line with your reaction. I'm sure
there are people that fall somewhere in between those two though.

josh


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