Hey,
additionally: In my opinion the fedora documentation in general is really hard
fragmented.
E.g. we have for lots of topics about three places to search for information.
Example for documents related to java packaing:
1.
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/...
2.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package
3.
https://fedorahosted.org/released/javapackages/doc/
4.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Java_packaging_common_problems
5.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Java
6.
http://rpm5.org/docs/rpm-guide.pdf
with at least three (!) different places of fedora sources (the offical docs, the wiki,
and language specific things on
fedorahosted.org).
I personally found it at least not efficient to search for specific things.
regards,
toogley/tobi
> On August 29, 2016 at 6:16 PM Ankur Sinha <sanjay.ankur(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
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> Hiya,
>
> Before I begin, if you're a member of the Fedora community already,
> please apply for membership to the fedora-join group in FAS[1].
> (That'll give us an idea of how many community members are interested
> in the SIG.) If you are a newbie and haven't introduced yourself yet,
> please do so.
>
> It's a somewhat long e-mail, but please bear with me and skim through
> it. I encourage *everyone* to reply to this e-mail with ideas/comments!
>
> Background and aim of this group
> - ---------------------------------
>
> For years now, we've heard that new potential contributors (henceforth
> referred to as "newbies") have a hard time joining the community. The
> reasons for this include, but are not limited to:
>
> - - newbies are timid (think squirrels!)
> - - newbies aren't used to the open source way of self education (Google
> the hell out of things, RTFM attitude, shamelessly ask questions if
> needed, NO spoon feeding and so on)
> - - newbies lose interest if they don't make friends and integrate into
> the community in a few weeks (few days?).
> - - the community is *vast*, spread over different teams with their own
> systems and procedures, and for someone new, finding the right
> people/channels/procedures can be quite daunting.
> - - community members are usually quite busy to give detailed replies -
> we're all volunteers here.
> - - more?
>
> So the idea of setting up the SIG was to set up channels of
> communication where newbies can come and in an extremely friendly
> environment form relationships within themselves, and with the
> community.
>
> For this to work, we need:
>
> - - the infrastructure. We have:
> * #fedora-join
> * this mailing list
> - - community members hanging out in these channels and willing to speak
> to newbies, help them get in touch with the right people, help them
> find the right resources, and so on.
> - - newbies.
>
> I hope this makes sense to everyone? Does everyone agree that the idea
> is a sane one? Any tweaks?
>
> How are we doing?
> - ------------------
>
> Well, not too good, I'd say. We've helped out some folks in the past,
> but we're not as active as we should be. Ideally, we should be up to
> our ears in e-mails and questions and people. So why aren't we?
>
> - - Part of this is of course because we're busy with other things;
> - - Part of this is also because we haven't managed to gain enough
> traction to get more members of the community involved in helping out
> at the group.
> - - I'm not sure the entire community is aware of the existence of the
> channels we've set up
> - - I'm not sure if we are visible enough for newbies to find us (for
> example, we're not on
whatcanidoforfedora.org)
>
> Other related reasons:
> - - we don't meet often (but do we need regular IRC meetings?)
>
> What can we do?
> - ---------------
>
> Now, this is the interesting bit! What do we do to improve the current
> state? Events (physical/IRC), make more noise, turn up in the right
> places, make ourselves more visible?
>
> Off the top of my head:
> - - We should make more noise to inform the community that we're here to
> help newbies get started
> - - I think we need to be better organised. For example, we don't have a
> SOP document (standard operating procedure) to guide either newbies or
> contributors to this group. Maybe we can set up a pagure repo where we
> open a new ticket for each newbie, and then close it when the newbie's
> integrated nicely with the community?
> - - We need to embrace metrics too - how many newbies do we have on this
> list? How many have we helped? Maybe we can set up a feedback form and
> request newbies to fill it out when they're ready? How many
> contributors do we have on this list? How often do people refer newbies
> to our channels?
> - - We need to integrate better with the community - we seem to be a
> standalone group at the moment, and that just won't work. Maybe we
> could integrate with CommOps better, since CommOps has members from the
> different teams?
> - - Maybe an IRC meeting a month just to keep ourselves active wouldn't
> be such a bad idea?
> - - The fas group is only for community members, do we need another for
> newbies? Should we just open the group to newbies? (This can then be
> used to give them wiki access which has been limited to cla+1 to deal
> with spam.)
> - - What else?
>
>
> Please, add to this list!
>
>
> Other stuff
> - ------------
>
> Please do keep up with the Fedora hubs initiative[2]. It's going to be
> marvellous! It also has some functionality to enable people to join
> groups, but I still don't think it's a complete replacement for good
> old school conversation when it comes to forming relationships.
>
>
> Please, do reply to this e-mail with whatever ideas you have - we can't
> improve things without ideas and discussion.
>
> I'm still drowning in work, but when I do have time off (like this long
> weekend!), I'm going to be active. Most of you know that I lurk in a
> lot of fedora channels as FranciscoD, please feel free to ping me.
>
> [1]
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/fedora-join
> [2]
https://fedoramagazine.org/5tftw-2015-06-19/
> - --
> Thanks,
> Regards,
> Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD"
>
>
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha
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