On 01/18/2017 02:41 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote:
I hope everyone had a good holiday. I'm still on a vacation of sorts,
but since most folks are back, I thought I'd get the ball rolling ASAP.
So here it is:
Hey Ankur, thanks for getting the ball rolling. I think many of us have
been having a busy start to 2017, which might attribute to some of the
Fedora Join stage 2
The objective of this stage is to carry on from stage 1 (making Fedora
Join visible to the community). In stage 1, we published and announced
on the community channels - the community blog, the announce mailing
list. The intention was to make the community aware that we are
preparing a channel where newbies and community members can interact.
In stage 2, now that we've the channels and some community members
ready to help, we announce the channels to the public. So, in a
sentence, stage 2 says "Tell the world about Fedora Join!".
We'll need to use the public facing channels for this one.
Announcements should go out on these:
- Fedora magazine
- Users mailing list
- Web forums:
- Ask Fedora
Something that Brian Exelbierd and I have been discussing is the idea of
a "Help Wanted Wednesday" series either on the Community Blog or Fedora
Magazine. The idea of this would be to highlight some "easyfix" sort of
tasks that we could wave newcomers towards when they ask about something
to get started with.
Additionally, the motive behind this effort wasn't to have contributors
scouting out easyfix tickets, but rather, to have contributors bring
them to the team / group that would compile the series. This way, the
stress isn't loaded onto a small number of people, but rather, multiple
people from various parts of the community would be motivated to bring
their easyfix tickets or issues to us so that way they can gain
interested newcomers to their parts of the project.
This idea is hardly fleshed out or discussed much, but perhaps this is
something we could try to make a goal for the Join SIG or work closely
with CommOps to make it happen.
If we have active folks in other parts of Fedora, like the Fedora
Forums, Reddit, or more places, we can encourage them to share these
posts there. And there could be a tie-in to promote the Join SIG as the
"go-to" place if you have problems or questions while getting started.
- It'll be awesome if we can add a note about Fedora Join on
too. I'd opened a ticket long ago here already: https://github.com/fedo
Are there any other channels that we can use to make ourselves more
visible outside the community?
I definitely think Telegram has a strong potential, especially the
unofficial Fedora group. It is larger than our IRC channel by the
hundreds – we're close to hitting the 700 member mark soon. I also think
there is a notable number of folks there who are interested in
contributing, but might need to be reeled in or given direction to get
started. Finding a way to target this group of users could be a good idea.
Other platforms we could use would be social media accounts and Reddit.
There's probably more too, if I went digging for a bit.
Here are some other things we've discussed in the past. Please feel
free to add more, and chime in with your views (start new threads
too!). Think of these as ideas for the long term?
I think a lot of us want to bring this back, but we're still to settle
on how we'd match newbies to mentors and so on. Keeping in mind that
mentoring existed before and died out, it'll be nice if we can come up
with a sustainable process. An important part of this is ensuring that
we constantly have new newbies and new mentors coming in so that the
overall numbers remain constant from cycle to cycle, year to year.
I definitely think the ultimate priority for discussing this should be
making it sustainable. I love the idea of a mentoring program, but as
past experiences has shown us, people get burnt out and we don't have a
good way of bringing in more mentors. This could be a good goal for a
next meeting (I know we've fallen off a bit with them, but we should
definitely get the ball rolling again once you're back on a regular
- Web stuff (requires input from the websites and design teams, at
I still think a nice web overview of the community would give people
outside the community a good insight into our interactions, and in
turn, this would make it easier for them to join us. What do folks
think of modifying fedoracommunity.org
to depict the community in
- by roles
- by teams
- by region
At the moment, it feels like it's limited to ambassadors only, and only
serves to collect regional websites.
(I suggest modifying fedoracommunity.org
instead of setting up a new
join.fp.o as before because the general feeling in the community seems
to be that we already have too many web resources and any more are
either surplus or unmanageable.)
I like this idea as well, but I'm wondering if this is something we will
be able to feasibly pull off. I'm leaning towards saying this is
something to place onto the backburner and revisit after we reach some
of the other goals mentioned above.
Anyone for bringing these back? They were great to get folks started (I
started contributing through a font packaging classroom session
Personally, I love the idea and think we could pull this off if we have
some clear on-boarding for existing contributors to run a classroom
without too much effort. Fedora Infrastructure already has a "Learn it!"
part of their agenda, where a member can volunteer to use part of the
meeting to explain a new concept and have other Infra members ask
questions. Patrick Uiterwijk did an excellent one on some of the
authentication tools used in Fedora, so it could be a good idea to warm
up with them with some of the ones from the past in Infra.
In either case, getting some sort of "classroom how-to" is definitely an
attainable goal for the coming month or two, and perhaps we could try to
set a deadline for when we would want to try attempting the next classroom.
So, what do we do next?
It'll be great if we can discuss these on the ML to begin with, and
then follow the usual "ticket-meeting-task-repeat" system over pagure?
I apologize for the slow response here. Keeping up over the holidays was
more difficult than I anticipated and I'm still getting unburied from
late December / early January emails. But I should start being a little
more present in coming weeks, especially after FOSDEM concludes on Feb. 5th.
Thanks for your time writing this all up, Ankur! Hope you had an
excellent holiday and New Year as well.
Justin W. Flory