Reminder: Next meeting on 20080213 at 18:00 UTC in
Summary will be part of this weeks report (as always)
00:00:59 < knurd> | Hi everybody; who's around for the EPEL meeting?
00:00:59 * | knurd likes to remind everyone that the schedule for todays meeting as well as a list of all open tasks can be found on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Schedule
00:00:59 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting -- Meeting rules at http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Schedule/MeetingGuidelines -- Init process
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00:01:03 < knurd> | all mine
00:01:21 < knurd> | thx bugzappers
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00:01:37 * | nirik is still here.
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00:02:36 < knurd> | anybody seen mmcgrath? he seems rather busy in the past days afaics
00:02:42 < knurd> | or is he on vacation?
00:03:07 < nirik> | he's around... just busy I think.
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00:03:28 * | knurd wonders where smooge went
00:03:59 < knurd> | well, let's start really slow
00:04:14 < knurd> | nirik, do you know if/where the EPEL dep checker script runs?
00:04:31 < knurd> | mmcgrath or dgilmore installed one months ago
00:04:39 < nirik> | no idea. There is one mschwent had, but also one mmcgrath had setup...
00:04:39 < knurd> | but the one from mschwendt looks way better
00:05:10 < knurd> | nirik, did mschwendt install it as a cron job somewhere?
00:05:18 < smooge> | potty break
00:05:18 < knurd> | I thought he just kicked it manually
00:05:24 < nirik> | no idea. I haven't seen it run...
00:05:28 < nirik> | I can mail him and ask.
00:06:18 < knurd> | nirik, feel free to mail him, but I'd prefer to know first if there is a script running somewhere alreday :/
00:06:20 < smooge> | the one that mmcgrath installed I think was broken and I was trying to get some time to fix it.. which only came up now ;(. So mschwents is better
00:06:47 < knurd> | smooge, do you have access to the machined wher the old script ran?
00:07:01 < knurd> | or shall we just ask mschwendt to install his somewhere?
00:07:20 < knurd> | he likely has permissions to do so
00:07:52 < smooge> | no I don't mmcgrath sent out an email a while back
00:08:02 < smooge> | with the script in it.
00:08:20 < nirik> | http://mschwendt.fedorapeople.org/extras-repoclosure-modified-20080115.tgz is mschewnts script
00:09:26 < knurd> | so, how to move on? ask mschwendt to install is? nirik, or do you want to handle that? you likely have the needed permissions as well
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00:10:11 < smooge> | mdomsch, has permission to. he can do anything :)
00:10:17 < nirik> | sure, I can ask him if we can just run it on the buildsys box, or what.
00:10:27 < knurd> | nirik, k, thx
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00:10:40 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | next testing -> stable move | knurd | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/NextTestingStableMove
00:10:50 < knurd> | is prepared; docs were imrpoved as well
00:11:06 < knurd> | the whole preparation can be done in about 10 or 15 minutes
00:11:15 < knurd> | maybe even less with a quick machine
00:11:31 < knurd> | any questions? otherwise I'll quickly move on
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00:11:50 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | KojiAndBodhiForEpel | mmcgrath | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/KojiAndBodhiForEpel
00:12:00 < nirik> | sounds good to me.
00:12:01 < knurd> | no mmcgrath, no Jeff_S thus likely no news
00:12:08 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | broken dep reports go to the list | mmcgrath ? | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/Misc
00:12:16 < knurd> | discussed already, thus skipping this
00:12:23 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | fill the steering committee | all | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/Misc
00:12:46 < knurd> | smooge, +1 for you becoming a steering committee member
00:13:08 < nirik> | +1 here.
00:13:19 < knurd> | but I think we need to have more +1 from at least 3 or four other steering committee members
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00:13:35 * | quaid is here too
00:13:38 < knurd> | thus I suppose we need to wait another week or two before it becomes official
00:13:40 < knurd> | ohh
00:13:45 < knurd> | okay, htere are two more
00:13:53 < knurd> | hi quaid, hi stahnma
00:14:06 < stahnma> | g'day
00:14:20 < knurd> | quaid, smooge, nirik and I just say "smooge, +1 for smooge becoming a steering committee member"
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00:14:23 * | smooge waits to see if he is cool enough to sit with at the big kids table
00:14:26 < quaid> | smooge for steering committee? +1
00:14:26 < stahnma> | +1
00:14:35 < knurd> | k, it's official now
00:14:39 * | quaid is a little kid in a booster chair
00:14:43 < knurd> | welcome to the stering committee smooge
00:14:44 < stahnma> | welcome to the big kids table
00:15:00 < knurd> | k, that makes seven again
00:15:06 < knurd> | I mentioned it on the list already
00:15:15 < knurd> | someone else wants to leave sooner or later
00:15:20 * | knurd is that someone else
00:15:38 < knurd> | I can stay around and help, but I'd like to get a more free time for RPM Fusion
00:15:49 < knurd> | and some fresh ideas for EPEL would help as well
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00:16:13 < knurd> | thus I'd suggest we elect a new chairmen over the next two weeks/in the next meeting
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00:16:23 < quaid> | I wonder if any of the RHTers who deal with RHX would be interested
00:16:31 < knurd> | any volunteers for that job?
00:16:46 < knurd> | quaid, I haven't seen much from them yet
00:16:56 * | mmcgrath is here now, sorry
00:16:58 * | quaid cannot do it but thinks any of the current and new member dude would be good
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00:16:59 < knurd> | there was only the zenoss discussions, but that just faded out
00:17:00 * | stahnma doesn't know if he has the time available....
00:17:13 < quaid> | knurd: that is part of the idea, maybe if they were more involved as leaders ...
00:17:15 < knurd> | nirik do you want to do it?
00:17:26 < quaid> | pile on nirik!
00:17:38 < knurd> | quaid, as I mentioned on the list: we can make the steering committee even bigger if we want to
00:17:44 < knurd> | and if it's good for EPEL
00:17:48 < nirik> | ha. I would do it if no one else wanted the job... ;) If someone did that would be fine with me too... I am also low on time.
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00:18:12 < stahnma> | that's how I feel, and can only make meetings occassionally as they are in the middle of $DAYJOB
00:18:12 < knurd> | seven people in hte steering committe IMHO is a goal and not a hard number/must
00:18:30 < knurd> | stahnma, with me out of the mix you guys could find a better time
00:18:38 < knurd> | as then everyone is based in the US
00:18:42 < knurd> | afaics
00:19:00 < stahnma> | I though Jeff_S was in Europe somewhere...
00:19:05 < quaid> | true that
00:19:07 < knurd> | he is?
00:19:13 < quaid> | Portland, OR I thought
00:19:23 * | stahnma could be confused, or maybe he was travelling when I asked
00:19:28 < quaid> | sheltren?
00:19:33 * | smooge deals with 20 phone calls at once...
00:19:39 < smooge> | thanks everyone for the support
00:19:52 < knurd> | have fun with the phone
00:20:05 < knurd> | smooge, or would you me interested in the chairmen's job?
00:20:10 < smooge> | I am interested
00:20:29 < smooge> | my platform is free beer and penguin mints
00:20:58 < knurd> | so, that makes smooge ("I am interested") and nirik ("I would do it if no one else wanted the job...[...] I am also low on time.")
00:21:03 < knurd> | afaics
00:21:21 < knurd> | I'd say we continue to discuss this on the list over the next few days
00:21:25 < nirik> | perhaps throw that to the list and see if anyone else is interested, and we can vote/dicuss next meeting?
00:21:27 < smooge> | okie dokie
00:21:30 < knurd> | and then find a solution in the next meeting?
00:21:32 < stahnma> | +
00:21:57 < knurd> | k, seems we are all in agreement here
00:22:06 < knurd> | I'll annouce it on the list then
00:22:18 < knurd> | anything else regarding this topic?
00:22:32 < knurd> | any other self nominations for EPEL steeting committee members?
00:23:19 * | knurd takes that as "no" and "no" and moves on
00:23:26 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | broken dep reports go to the list | mmcgrath ? | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/Misc
00:23:29 < knurd> | mmcgrath, still around?
00:23:42 < mmcgrath> | yeah
00:23:47 < knurd> | is "the broken deps report" script stil lrunning for EPEL?
00:23:51 < nirik> | knurd: I mailed mschewnt asking about setting his script up on the buildsys box
00:23:52 * | mdomsch is late I see
00:23:56 < mmcgrath> | AFAIK it is. let me look.
00:23:57 < mdomsch> | what did I get volunteered for?
00:24:46 < knurd> | mdomsch, nothing yet; but if you want to become a EPEL steering committee member feel free to self nominate
00:24:49 < mmcgrath> | knurd: hrm, looks like the cron job got removed.
00:24:50 < smooge> | mdomsch, installing the script onto the buildsys box :).. but I was joking
00:25:04 < mmcgrath> | I'll need to figure out what happened to it but will make sure its running.
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00:25:15 < knurd> | mmcgrath, don't invest any work
00:25:27 < knurd> | mmcgrath, afaics the script from mschwendt is way better
00:25:33 < knurd> | mmcgrath, I#d say we switch to his one
00:25:50 < knurd> | mmcgrath, mschwendt might even have permissions to set it up on that box
00:25:56 < knurd> | and his script mails the list
00:26:08 < knurd> | something the old script didn't do
00:26:14 < mmcgrath> | knurd: that totally works for me, mschwendt rocks.
00:26:36 < mmcgrath> | hopefully his script doesn't take an hour to run either :-/
00:26:57 < knurd> | mmcgrath, k; then we are all up2date then; nirik will talk to mschwendt about it
00:27:03 < knurd> | (or did already ;-) )
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00:27:18 < nirik> | well, sent email in any case.
00:27:20 < knurd> | anything else?
00:27:35 < smooge> | ok how are we doing for packages etc?
00:27:46 < smooge> | how many are still in waiting to be branched etc? and wish list?
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00:28:12 < stahnma> | smooge: that sounds like good metrics to have
00:28:18 < knurd> | smooge, we have 1000 srpms now in epel5 + epel5 testing and come close to 2000 rpms
00:28:39 < smooge> | is that src.rpms or combined x.rpms and src.rpms?
00:28:44 < knurd> | waiting to be branched -> there are about 5500 package in fedora rawhide iirc
00:28:59 < knurd> | about 1600 srpms in rhel5
00:29:03 < smooge> | hmmm I counted 4500 src.rpms in fedora rawhide earlier this week
00:29:15 * | nirik should poke ixs and silug again... there are some perl packages I need before I can branch munin...
00:29:32 < knurd> | smooge, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/PackageStatus says:
00:29:33 < knurd> | - 5634 packages
00:29:34 < knurd> | - 9260 binary rpms in devel
00:29:52 < knurd> | but I'm not sure how that's counted
00:30:11 < knurd> | my hope for the long term future for EPEL was: continue as we do
00:30:14 < nirik> | I see 5299 src.rpms in devel right now
00:30:31 < knurd> | and when RHEL6 ships poke Fedora maintainers and build lots of stuff for EPEL
00:30:47 < smooge> | ah I was looking at 8/Everthings/SRPMS directory
00:31:10 < knurd> | smooge, then you missed new pacakges that entered Fedora since F8 was shipped
00:31:19 < knurd> | as those are in the updates repo only
00:31:26 < smooge> | yeah.. 5299 is what I see too.
00:32:40 < smooge> | Ok one thing I would like to look at doing is getting a discussion going on when we move packages from testing to stable. I would like to work on a regular schedule for it so that 'customers' would know that Black Tuesday was coming up or something
00:32:40 < knurd> | some of them make not much sense for EPEL
00:32:46 < knurd> | hunspell-dicts for example
00:33:21 < knurd> | smooge, the dates are: mid months around the 15th for EPEL4 and early each months around the 1st for EPEL5
00:33:29 < smooge> | duh
00:33:35 < smooge> | I am way behind on stuff
00:33:50 < knurd> | tha's quite new; we settled on that one or two meetings ago
00:33:51 < smooge> | ok need to go over the wiki to catch up with stuff.
00:34:15 < knurd> | smooge, np, keeping track of everything in Fedora-land is hard
00:35:02 < knurd> | anything else?
00:35:12 < smooge> | no thats about it.
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00:35:43 < smooge> | I think I will go over the EPEL pages and see what needs to be updated
00:35:46 < smooge> | Oh one second
00:35:49 < smooge> | mirrors
00:36:17 * | knurd waits
00:36:24 < smooge> | I think once we are pushing things regularly and getting more packages.. it would be a good idea to start recruuitiong more mirrors
00:36:34 < smooge> | s/once/now/
00:36:53 < nirik> | sure, always good... how many do we have now?
00:36:54 < smooge> | how does this usually happen (and am I going over something that is already said?)
00:36:56 * | nirik goes to look.
00:37:00 < knurd> | http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/EPEL/
00:37:15 < knurd> | there are a few, but more can't hurt
00:37:24 < knurd> | I'm not on the mirror-list
00:37:29 < knurd> | anyone else?
00:38:10 < knurd> | asking on that closed list might be the best start for more mirrors
00:38:19 < smooge> | I think I have a couple of things at the back of my mind. I will try to get them out for the next meeting
00:39:12 < knurd> | smooge, thx; in case of questions with the mirror stuff contact mdomsch; he maintains the stuff on http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org and he should be on the mirror-admins-list
00:39:17 < smooge> | Hmm I need to get john branched. Will go finish up my fedora project activation stuff and work on that
00:39:54 < smooge> | knurd, actually I am also on the list :). They forgot to take me off when I left RH :)
00:40:01 < knurd> | hehe :)
00:40:09 < knurd> | anything else?
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I'm interested in the rt3 for EPEL project. I'm trying to understand who
exactly is working on this and what the current status is. And
obviously, trying to understand what I can do to help move this project
Packages wishlist for rt3 is maintained in another page than the main
From the main wishlist, the maintainers of the following packages have
been mailed, but they either didn't answer or the wishlist page wasn't
The maintainers of the following packages don't participate in EPEL :
Does anyone want to co-maintain them ?
The following packages are missing from the main wishlist :
Shall I add these packages to the main wishlist ?
What are the next steps ? Is there anything I can do to help ?
Remember my mail titled "Do you want to be part of the EPEL steering
committee?" from yesterday?
Smooge (Stephen John Smoogen) self-nominated for the job and in todays
meeting was accepted as member for the EPEL Steering Committee. Congrats
Smooge, I'm sure you'll do a good job.
He sort of fills the vacant seat the EPEL Steering Committee. As I
mentioned in my earlier mail, another member wants to leave sooner or
later. I meant myself with that -- I'm doing the EPEL chairmen job for
about one year now (and was FESCo chairmen before that for round about a
year as well). It was fun most of the time, but it's time for me to move
on and time for fresh blood, new ideas and new people in EPELs lead. I
also would like to get a bit more free time to finally get RPM Fusion
started (including repos with Fedora-unwanted stuff built for EL + EPEL;
if you want to help with that let me know!).
IOW: (1) we need a new chairmen and (2) a ideally another member for the
EPEL Steering Commitee. In todays meeting nirik and smooge volunteered
for the chairmens job. If anyone else is interested speak up; the new
chairmen will be elected in the next meeting (20080213 at 18:00 UTC in
#fedora-meeting). And also don't be shy if you want to become a member
for the EPEL Steering Commitee; just speak up and self-nominate if you
are interested in EPEL and want to help get it to the next level! If you
can't make the meetings on Wednesdays at 18:00 UTC -- no problem, we can
try to find another date and time (and we do most of the work on the
list in any case).
I'm importing up-imapproxy into EL-5. This is a really useful IMAP proxy
for anyone with a webmail system (e.g. Squirrelmail) which constantly
opens and closes IMAP connections; it caches them and speeds things up.
Anyway, the point is that although it is a simple piece of software, the
packaging is a bit screwy. The software is generally known as
"up-imapproxy" but in some places (internally and externally) is
referred to as "imapproxy".
Now, this package is already in Fedora, so I could leave things as they
are (the Fedora maintainer has pretty much just followed what upstream
does), or I can take this one opportunity to tidy things up. Brief
overview as currently packaged in Fedora:
* Website: www.imapproxy.org
* Upstream tarball: up-imapproxy-x.y.z.tar.gz
* Upstream references: vary between "up-imapproxy" and "imapproxy"
* Package name in Fedora: up-imapproxy
* Config: /etc/imapproxy.conf
* Daemon: /usr/sbin/in.imapproxyd
* Init script: /etc/init.d/imapproxy
What I'm *proposing* to do is to patch it up to make it more consistent
* Package name in EPEL: up-imapproxy
* Config: /etc/up-imapproxy.conf
* Daemon: /usr/sbin/up-imapproxyd
* Init script: /etc/init.d/up-imapproxy
Any comments either way would be appreciated.
The goal is to do most work to organize EPEL (aka "keep EPEL running and
improve it in the long run") on the list and just a bit the meetings;
there is also the EPEL mantra "Power to the people with no delay." and
"make Steering Committee nearly unimportant" -- those mean in other
words: if you want to improve/realize something in EPEL you don't need
to be part of the steering committee to realize it; just post to the
list, ask for options, act in the open and if you got positive feedback
and if nobody yells after a few days consider your plans kind of
But EPEL has a steering committee and needs one if it comes to "somebody
needs to do a decision how to move forward" situations. The goal was to
have seven members in the EPEL Steering Committee, but for some months
we were only six: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/SteeringCommittee
Another member from the Steering committee plans to leave sooner or
later (likely sooner afaics). That means we have two vacant seats now
that we should fill. We could do a election for these seats or even do a
real Steering Committee election like FESCo does, but I think the number
of people that want to join the Steering committee is quite small and
the overhead of a election is not worth the trouble.
Thus I'd suggest: if you want to be part of the EPEL steering committee
then please self-nominate (either a reply in private or on the list; or
join the meeting tomorrow). Then we form a new steering committee out of
the existing members and those that self-nominated. If the total number
of people in the Committee is a bit bigger then 7 in the end we just
live with it if that's fine for everybody. Same if it's a bit smaller
(like it's now).
How much work is it to be on the Steering Committee? Well, the answer
depends on the fact how good you'd like to do the job. But here are some
of the things that Steering Committee members IMHO should do:
- make sure EPEL most contributers and users are happy
- make sure EPEL runs well
- try to improve EPEL in the long run
- do do the above you should try to join the meetings now and then and
participate in the discussions on the list
find below the list of topics that are planed to come up in the next
EPEL SIG meeting which is scheduled for tomorrow, Wednesday at 18:00
UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.org (24 hours from now).
/topic EPEL SIG Meeting | next testing -> stable move | knurd
/topic EPEL SIG Meeting | KojiAndBodhiForEpel | mmcgrath
/topic EPEL SIG Meeting | broken dep reports go to the list | mmcgrath?
/topic EPEL SIG Meeting | fill the steering committee | all |
/topic EPEL SIG Meeting | Free discussion around EPEL
You want something to be discussed? Send a note to the list in reply to
this mail (please adjust the subject) and we'll add it to the schedule.
You can also propose topics at the end of the meeting itself when "Free
discussion around EPEL" comes up.
*If your name/nick is on above list*: please give a status update on the
list *and* in the wiki on the individual task pages (linked from the
schedule page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Schedule ). That way
all the interested parties know what up ahead of the meeting; that will
avoid long delays and "status update monologues" in the meeting.