The wiki freeze is scheduled for tomorrow. If you plan to add some release notes content to the wiki, time is getting short.
If there are items you think need more content, but you aren't comfortable with the wordsmithing, leave some content in the wiki and the Docs folks will be happy to clean up the prose.
Following the wiki freeze we still can make changes in the xml, so if something comes up that should change the release notes, email myself or Ryan Lerch and we will make the changes.
--McD
John J. McDonough wrote:
The wiki freeze is scheduled for tomorrow. If you plan to add some release notes content to the wiki, time is getting short.
If there are items you think need more content, but you aren't comfortable with the wordsmithing, leave some content in the wiki and the Docs folks will be happy to clean up the prose.
Following the wiki freeze we still can make changes in the xml, so if something comes up that should change the release notes, email myself or Ryan Lerch and we will make the changes
That's not really acceptable. A reminder should have gone in much earlier. There is lots of content that needs to be updated and a day is just not enough.
Rahul
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 09:38:32PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
John J. McDonough wrote:
The wiki freeze is scheduled for tomorrow. If you plan to add some release notes content to the wiki, time is getting short.
To be clear, this refers only to the documentation beats used for the release notes:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_Beats
If there are items you think need more content, but you aren't comfortable with the wordsmithing, leave some content in the wiki and the Docs folks will be happy to clean up the prose.
Following the wiki freeze we still can make changes in the xml, so if something comes up that should change the release notes, email myself or Ryan Lerch and we will make the changes
That's not really acceptable. A reminder should have gone in much earlier. There is lots of content that needs to be updated and a day is just not enough.
You are right, there was a lapse in project management reminders. The release notes coordinators are leading for the first time, and us old timers didn't give them good advice about keeping eyes on the scheduling and nag mail.
Sadly, there isn't much slip room in this schedule that I see:
http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-docs-tasks.html
If you get a change in to the wiki by 2100 UTC on Thursday, you give the Docs people very little time to review and convert it to XML for the translation deadline. I'll ask the release notes team if they can make the freeze 'slushy', that is, soft and willing to take as many last minute changes as they can.
Regardless, the wiki freeze is more "we are ignoring your changes and won't guarantee they make the Preview Release notes." Put the changes in anyway.
We go through this every release. Waiting until the last minute to put "lots of content" in to the release notes beats is also unacceptable.
Docs has been asking for more beat writers and content for some time. We need real, raw content from the people who know, and we don't get it. Then at the last moment, a trickle turns in to a flood.
Feature pages are a great start, where they have release note information. But we all know that the features are just a small sampling of all the changes in the release.
Let's ask the Docs folk to be more consistent with the nagging, but the developers and packagers need to fill more roles providing the raw content, doing it early and right.
-Karsten, a Docs contributor
Karsten Wade wrote:
We go through this every release. Waiting until the last minute to put "lots of content" in to the release notes beats is also unacceptable.
I really can't help that. Either I do all that work and not enough content goes in and I don't have time to do the work with this schedule. You can clearly see the difference in the quality of the overview between Fedora 9 (where I had time to do it) vs Fedora 10 (where I didn't). If other people step up, I am happy to let them.
Rahul
On 04/01/2009 05:28 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Karsten Wade wrote:
We go through this every release. Waiting until the last minute to put "lots of content" in to the release notes beats is also unacceptable.
I really can't help that. Either I do all that work and not enough content goes in and I don't have time to do the work with this schedule. You can clearly see the difference in the quality of the overview between Fedora 9 (where I had time to do it) vs Fedora 10 (where I didn't). If other people step up, I am happy to let them.
Rahul
At the risk of overcommitting myself, I might be willing to help out a bit. Is the freeze that was referred to relating to the final release of F11, or just the Preview Release? Or was it the beta? I'm so out of touch right now...are you sure you want me writing stuff?
On Di März 31 2009, Karsten Wade wrote:
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 09:38:32PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
John J. McDonough wrote:
The wiki freeze is scheduled for tomorrow. If you plan to add some release notes content to the wiki, time is getting short.
To be clear, this refers only to the documentation beats used for the release notes:
[...]
Regardless, the wiki freeze is more "we are ignoring your changes and won't guarantee they make the Preview Release notes." Put the changes in anyway.
Does the freeze affect the Preview Release notes or for the GA Release notes? Regards, Till
----- Original Message ----- From: "Till Maas" opensource@till.name To: fedora-devel-list@redhat.com; "For participants of the Documentation Project" fedora-docs-list@redhat.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:29 PM Subject: Re: Wiki Freeze Tomorrow
Does the freeze affect the Preview Release notes or for the GA Release notes?
They pretty much amount to the same thing. There is a chance for some "small" changes between preview and release, but the real problem is that the translators need time to work their magic, and they are expecting the strings Thursday night.
--McD
John J. McDonough wrote:
Following the wiki freeze we still can make changes in the xml, so if something comes up that should change the release notes, email myself or Ryan Lerch and we will make the changes.
Has the conversion already happened? If it did, can this change (additions only) please be pulled in? https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Documentation_Desktop_Beat&d...
Kevin Kofler
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 04:44:37AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
John J. McDonough wrote:
Following the wiki freeze we still can make changes in the xml, so if something comes up that should change the release notes, email myself or Ryan Lerch and we will make the changes.
Has the conversion already happened? If it did, can this change (additions only) please be pulled in? https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Documentation_Desktop_Beat&d...
Thanks for the heads-up Kevin -- I just added this material to the XML, synchronizing it with your wiki changes.
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