Meeting about Virtualization in Fedora Documentation
(04:07:15 PM) lnovich: I'm here
(04:07:59 PM) lnovich: i am not sure how to start a meeting, so let's begin?
(04:09:11 PM) grundblom: neat, I think we were discussing the virtualization guide, I
pulled it down and I see the last commit from June 1 2014 by Pete Travis, do I have the
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(04:09:30 PM) lnovich: need to distinguish with a brief history
(04:09:45 PM) lnovich: there is more than one virtualization guide
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(04:10:23 PM) grundblom: sure:
(04:10:24 PM) lnovich: so we need to be specific. - I created a guide about a year ago
called the virtualization deployment and administration guide
(04:10:44 PM) lnovich: it WAS up to date for Fedora 19/20
(04:11:02 PM) lnovich: and should have been published at the time - it was left in draft
(04:11:14 PM) lnovich: then there is the virtualization guide
(04:11:20 PM) lnovich: which should be much older
(04:12:08 PM) lnovich: what Pete did I don't recall
(04:12:42 PM) grundblom: Oh, so I might be looking at the wrong guide
(04:13:09 PM) lnovich: i kind of pulled out of the project so I am not sure what happened
during my absence
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(04:13:54 PM) lnovich: randomuser would /should know
(04:14:01 PM) grundblom: So in the last docs meeting, we were discussing focusing
attention on it right? or did I misinterpret that?
(04:14:02 PM) grundblom: or at least on one of them..
(04:14:11 PM) lnovich: yes
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(04:14:30 PM) lnovich: that was right we were discussing adding new content
(04:14:49 PM) lnovich: I haven't seen this content and don't know where it has
been discussed to add it
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(04:15:55 PM) grundblom: Well the virt-getting-started guide has had some updates, smccann
and I have been working on it.. I think that is some of the new content
(04:16:03 PM) lnovich: ok
(04:16:12 PM) lnovich: that is an excellent place to start
(04:16:26 PM) smccann: sorry to join late
(04:16:30 PM) lnovich: have the changes been committed?
(04:16:46 PM) lnovich: do you have an outline somewhere on a wiki page?
(04:18:03 PM) grundblom: that I do not know, I myself did not make an outline, my last
commits to the virt-getting-started guide were just before F22 release
(04:18:19 PM) lnovich: nevermind found the guide
(04:19:37 PM) grundblom: I was hoping to bring some of the boxes content from the
virt-getting-started guide to the virt guide, but, I am now wondering which guide it would
be appropriate for
(04:19:58 PM) lnovich: understand your confusion
(04:20:11 PM) Capesteve: lnovich: check the branches, I think smccann has been committing
to a branch
(04:20:15 PM) lnovich: let's first of all take a look at the getting started guide
(04:20:21 PM) smccann: his changes and mine were published with F22
(04:20:40 PM) smccann: Capesteve - I graduated to master branch before the f22 release
(04:20:57 PM) lnovich: ok back to what I was saying?
(04:20:59 PM) smccann: So what's out on the web is the latest/greatest on the virt
(04:21:06 PM) lnovich: yes
(04:21:14 PM) lnovich: it should be
(04:21:26 PM) Capesteve: oh, good news :)
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(04:21:50 PM) lnovich: the getting started guide needs some more revisions to change it
into something better
(04:22:14 PM) smccann: ok feedback always welcome!
(04:22:46 PM) lnovich: this is no fault to you, but we should decide how this guide is
going to be planned
(04:22:53 PM) lnovich: what information is to stay/ leave
(04:22:58 PM) lnovich: and what needs to be addede
(04:23:00 PM) lnovich: added
(04:23:33 PM) smccann: what's the best way to track your recommendations? bugs? wiki
page? email list?
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(04:23:39 PM) lnovich: if this is a getting started all it needs is 1 a brief intro and 2
a quick start
(04:24:03 PM) lnovich: HOWEVER - if this is to become an Installation guide - that is
something else all together
(04:24:15 PM) lnovich: that choice is up to you
(04:24:29 PM) smccann: i'd like to keep it a getting started - for the newbie who just
wants to bring up a VM and use it.
(04:24:50 PM) lnovich: the virtualization deployment and admin guide is much more
(04:25:05 PM) lnovich: ok so a newbie needs more info
(04:25:22 PM) lnovich: chapter 2 is in need of several things
(04:25:46 PM) lnovich: we need to explain what a hypervisor is
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(04:26:00 PM) lnovich: what guests/hypervisors are supported
(04:26:15 PM) lnovich: and what the possibilities are in combination
(04:27:04 PM) lnovich: we should also explain how devices are emulated
(04:27:30 PM) smccann: hmm... does a newbie wanting to bring up a VM really need the
(04:27:44 PM) lnovich: no but they won't know it is possible to do so
(04:27:56 PM) lnovich: not the nitty gritty details
(04:27:59 PM) smccann: k so just a brief intro to it
(04:29:16 PM) lnovich: we should probably put these ideas into a wiki page somewhere
(04:30:14 PM) smccann: yeah I'm taking notes I can move to a wiki but how do I decide
where to put it?
(04:30:43 PM) lnovich: I'll set up a page
(04:31:10 PM) smccann: kk
(04:31:10 PM) grundblom: Thats what I was thinking, I didnt know if there were Fedora wiki
guide change pages..
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(04:37:50 PM) grundblom: smccann does the current virt getting started guide build for
(04:38:39 PM) smccann: it did before I upgraded to f22. I noticed it didn't after
that, but wondered if I'd messed up my upgrade. I haven't gone back to check
(04:39:06 PM) smccann: and I'm not on that machine right now. IF you are also having
issues, then it wasn't my upgrade that messed it up. I'll poke at it later
(04:39:09 PM) grundblom: Yeah it does not build on my F22 box, I did a nuke and pave
(04:39:26 PM) ***randomuser sips coffee
(04:39:37 PM) smccann: hmm. there was something somewhere about publican perhaps having
issues in f22... sound familiar to anyone here?
(04:39:42 PM) randomuser: there is a known libxml2 bug affectiong f>21
(04:40:01 PM) randomuser: the spelling is at the bottom of the mug
(04:40:09 PM) smccann: randomuser - so we should continue to build on F21 only?
(04:41:49 PM) grundblom: hrm, I missed that bug..
(04:41:59 PM) pbokoc: you could make a VM :)
(04:42:05 PM) pbokoc: or a container
(04:42:30 PM) randomuser: CC yourself on
(04:42:36 PM) smccann: AAAHAHAH!!!
(04:42:42 PM) grundblom: We could make a F21 box in our F22 install to make documentation
(04:42:58 PM) randomuser: I've been using yelp to preview and a vm for proofing
(04:43:02 PM) smccann: yes, pbokoc and grundblom, we could!
(04:43:20 PM) grundblom: I am going to need more hard drive space and ram...
(04:43:41 PM) randomuser: but really, get on that bug. The package maintainer gets a
notification every time, often more CCs is treated as an escalation
(04:43:51 PM) bexelbie: consider using a docker container to run publican
(04:44:00 PM) bexelbie: yruseva, almost has a container completed ^^
(04:44:23 PM) ***bexelbie does it with some other publishing tools that are
"fragile" or want a crap-ton of dependencies I don't want on my main box
(04:45:14 PM) smccann: erm.. new to docker, where do we document that for fedora? :-)
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(04:46:39 PM) pbokoc: Docker documents that for Fedora :)
(04:46:58 PM) lnovich: nested virtualization is working in F22?
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(04:48:15 PM) randomuser: iirc you have to do something extra to make it work, lnovich,
but it's been a few years since I've tried
(04:48:42 PM) Corey84: nested as in vm in a vm ?
(04:48:52 PM) lnovich: Corey84: yes
(04:49:11 PM) lnovich: otherwise you won't be able to install a vm on a vm
(04:49:22 PM) bexelbie: docker is installed by default
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(04:49:30 PM) bexelbie: in F21 and F22 iirc
(04:49:32 PM) smccann: there was something in BIOS to check/change i think
(04:49:54 PM) grundblom: Ok, so for my take-aways I have: 1. Install Docker and get the
publican tools from F21 working so I can build again,
(04:50:25 PM) lnovich: ok so something more to add to the guides
(04:50:30 PM) bexelbie: grundblom, if you are going to get the tools working you can use a
VM and not have to learn Docker - in the future yruseva should have a container we can
(04:50:30 PM) grundblom: lnovich is making a wiki page for an outline on what we need to
do for the virt-getting-started guide to be able to bring its content to a more
(04:50:36 PM) ***bexelbie may be able to push her a bit this week :D
(04:50:46 PM) lnovich: push who?
(04:51:01 PM) Corey84: i've recently done docker with vm but not vm in vm
(04:51:03 PM) lnovich: you better have very long arms....
(04:51:27 PM) lnovich: randomuser: do you have a suggestion where to put this wiki page?
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(04:52:23 PM) randomuser: hmm? what wiki page?
(04:52:37 PM) bexelbie: push yruseva
(04:53:05 PM) lnovich: randomuser: (04:50:30 PM) grundblom: lnovich is making a wiki page
for an outline on what we need to do for the virt-getting-started guide to be able to
bring its content to a more comprehensive guide..
(04:53:33 PM) randomuser: ah
(04:54:02 PM) randomuser: call it, erm, "Virt Getting Started Guide Planning" ?
(04:54:12 PM) lnovich: no i mean where as in url
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(04:56:04 PM) randomuser: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virt_Getting_Started_Planning
(04:56:19 PM) randomuser: fp.o/wiki/page_name
(04:56:28 PM) lnovich: ok works for me!
(04:56:30 PM) lnovich: thanks
(04:58:36 PM) smccann: should we create one for the virt deploy guide as well and start
collecting ideas there too?
(04:58:45 PM) lnovich: sure
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(05:01:23 PM) smccann: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virt_Deploy_Admin_Planning
(05:01:32 PM) lnovich: nice one smccann!
(05:02:02 PM) smccann: it's my first created wiki page... I wonder if I get a badge
(05:02:14 PM) ***smccann collects badges for motivation
(05:02:14 PM) lnovich: smccann++
(05:02:20 PM) zodbot: lnovich: Karma for smccann changed to 2:
(05:02:42 PM) grundblom: Well done!
(05:03:34 PM) smccann: aw shucks... thanks :-)
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(05:04:16 PM) lnovich: ok listen - i have 2 more meetings back to back and need to grab a
drink before I go to the meeting room
(05:04:26 PM) lnovich: i will start the wiki page.
(05:04:56 PM) smccann: okay thanks for all the help!
(05:04:59 PM) lnovich: please put your comments in as a different color so i can track
(05:05:14 PM) lnovich: or mark who it is making the comment /change
(05:06:21 PM) grundblom: Great, thanks lnovich and smccann!
(05:06:38 PM) lnovich: next wed, same bat time same bat channel?
(05:06:56 PM) smccann: sounds good
(05:07:03 PM) grundblom: Sounds like a plan
(05:07:15 PM) ***lnovich waves good bye
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