Mar 18 20:00:04 <Sparks> <meeting id="Docs Project">
Mar 18 20:00:04 <Sparks> Roll Call!
Mar 18 20:00:04 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Docs Project Meeting -
Mar 18 20:00:07 * Sparks is here
Mar 18 20:00:12 * danielsmw is here
Mar 18 20:00:12 * laubersm is here
Mar 18 20:00:13 * rudi is here
Mar 18 20:00:15 * ianweller
Mar 18 20:00:20 * jjmcd is here
Mar 18 20:00:21 * zoglesby is here
Mar 18 20:00:24 <ianweller> .wikilink ianweller
Mar 18 20:00:25 <zodbot> ianweller: [[User:ianweller|Ian Weller]]
Mar 18 20:00:26 * radsy is here
Mar 18 20:00:45 <laubersm> ianweller, show off
Mar 18 20:00:49 <ianweller> :3
Mar 18 20:00:51 * joat is here
Mar 18 20:00:53 <laubersm> .wikilink laubersm
Mar 18 20:00:54 <zodbot> laubersm: [[User:laubersm|Susan Lauber]]
Mar 18 20:01:07 * quaid is here
Mar 18 20:02:03 * Sparks waits for ke4qqq and ryanlerch
Mar 18 20:02:48 <jjmcd> David sounded like he had to physically travel to be here,
haven't seen Ryan yet today
Mar 18 20:02:55 <Sparks> Well, to not waste time...
Mar 18 20:02:57 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Beta Announcement
Mar 18 20:03:14 <Sparks> First, we had the Beta conference call earlier today...
Mar 18 20:03:30 * rudi peers across the office and notices that Ryan's not at his
Mar 18 20:03:45 <Sparks> a lot of things were covered and whenever they release the
notes I'll pass them along to group via the list.
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Mar 18 20:04:22 <Sparks> Thanks to ke4qqq for reminding me that he somehow got Docs
on the list for creating the Beta Announcement
Mar 18 20:04:34 <quaid> oops :)
Mar 18 20:04:38 <Sparks> BUT...
Mar 18 20:05:11 <Sparks> A special thanks to jjmcd for grabbing the bull by the
horns and really creating nice, attention grabbing announcement
Mar 18 20:05:11 <Sparks> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Beta_Announcement
Mar 18 20:05:33 <Sparks> Please review it and make recommendations/changes as
Mar 18 20:05:58 <Sparks> I especially like the opening paragraph. :)
Mar 18 20:06:06 <jjmcd> ;-)
Mar 18 20:06:10 <Sparks> BZ jjmcd
Mar 18 20:06:12 <quaid> yeah, we can add that as part of Docs standar op procedure
each release ... we've had the final announcement duties for a while
Mar 18 20:06:17 <quaid> but releng has obviously wanted us to do more :)
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Mar 18 20:06:38 <laubersm> Are we trying to keep it to a "one page"? How
much can it grow?
Mar 18 20:06:42 <Sparks> quaid: Yeah, and I think it is a perfect time for us to
summarize the release notes... kinda
Mar 18 20:06:51 * herlo is semi-here btw...
Mar 18 20:06:53 <Sparks> laubersm: I don't want it to grow much more...
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Mar 18 20:07:08 <Sparks> laubersm: if only because it is supposed to be a summary of
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Mar 18 20:07:15 <laubersm> The features page has one liners from proposals but they
have some better descriptions in each feature page... that are not much bigger
Mar 18 20:07:25 <Sparks> laubersm: We just want to get you in the door long enough
to download and install the beta.
Mar 18 20:07:52 <Sparks> +1 for adding interesting items that will pull
Mar 18 20:08:00 * ianweller reads beta announcement
Mar 18 20:08:19 <jjmcd> I ripped off some of the text from the talking points,
stressed some over whether it was too long
Mar 18 20:08:20 <Sparks> I think it would be better to have TOO much information in
there and have to edit some of it out for brevity.
Mar 18 20:08:33 <laubersm> ok... I am not a fan of "rebase" or
"etc" and I think we should be past "the goal is" thoses are all from
the initial feature page summaries - many of those
Mar 18 20:08:44 <laubersm> pages ahve better para at the end of the feature page for
Mar 18 20:09:12 <quaid> are we still on the release announcement?
Mar 18 20:09:17 <Sparks> quaid: yes
Mar 18 20:09:22 * laubersm knows how to edit and will... also promises to not get wordy
Mar 18 20:09:34 <jjmcd> Thanks, Susan
Mar 18 20:09:39 <Sparks> quaid: When do they cut Beta loose?
Mar 18 20:09:57 <jjmcd> Tues I think
Mar 18 20:09:58 <ianweller> announcement looks good
Mar 18 20:10:17 <quaid> ok, in terms of length, long is bad :)
Mar 18 20:10:22 <Sparks> jjmcd: So this needs to be done no later than Sunday eve
Mar 18 20:10:27 <quaid> that stuff belongs in the release notes
Mar 18 20:10:35 <ianweller> it is a bit wordy, yeah
Mar 18 20:10:42 <jjmcd> Yeah, the sked says RNs gotta be done Mon
Mar 18 20:10:46 <ianweller> "Peek behind the kimono" whirr
Mar 18 20:10:47 <Sparks> We want to hit the high points ONLY, IMO
Mar 18 20:10:50 <joat> it's a beta announcement... suggest limiting each of the
bullet sets to the best 5, with an URL to the rest
Mar 18 20:11:10 <ianweller> i suggest limiting the total number of bullets to 10
Mar 18 20:11:10 <joat> best 5 of each that is...
Mar 18 20:11:12 <jjmcd> Good plan, the trick is figuring out which are the best 5
Mar 18 20:11:37 <Sparks> jjmcd: Well, if you have six or seven STRONG points, no
foul in putting them all in
Mar 18 20:11:46 <joat> probably depends on which demographic each set is aiming at
Mar 18 20:12:03 <ianweller> i like the beta contest. lol.
Mar 18 20:12:09 <radsy> last I heard it was the 24th
Mar 18 20:12:13 <Sparks> joat: True. Right now it is broken down into
"user" and "developer"
Mar 18 20:12:15 <jjmcd> that's ripped off from 10
Mar 18 20:12:31 <Sparks> Yes
Mar 18 20:12:52 <Sparks> I don't think it is a bad way to organize it but
I'm not tied to it
Mar 18 20:13:31 <jjmcd> If we take out gnome, kde, anaconda and devkit we have 5 5
5, and those are pretty esoteric or limited population IMO
Mar 18 20:14:02 <Sparks> jjmcd: Let's make sure we are satisfied with it NLT
Sunday. We can talk about it more later this week.
Mar 18 20:14:09 <jjmcd> yep
Mar 18 20:14:16 * quaid adds a point to
Mar 18 20:14:17 <Sparks> jjmcd: I don't like taking out gnome and kde...
Mar 18 20:14:36 <ianweller> Sparks: combine gnome and kde into one bullet
Mar 18 20:14:39 <quaid> yes
Mar 18 20:14:45 <jjmcd> Not a bad plan
Mar 18 20:14:50 <ianweller> and fwiw the first paragraph seems awkwardly worded but
i'm not exactly sure how you would fix it
Mar 18 20:14:59 <zoglesby> are we really gaining much from new versions of either?
Mar 18 20:15:07 <jjmcd> Updates to the latest window managers gnome 2.6, kde
Mar 18 20:15:16 <jjmcd> Not much visible
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Mar 18 20:15:24 <laubersm> yes - and minimize to just updated to version X - they
are only additions of upstream stuff....
Mar 18 20:15:39 * laubersm sees that jjmcd already said that :(
Mar 18 20:15:56 * ryanlerch apoligises for lateness
Mar 18 20:16:07 <Sparks> ryanlerch: You haven't missed your topic yet
Mar 18 20:16:16 <Sparks> Okay, anything else on the release announcement?
Mar 18 20:16:45 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Publican fix for Fedora?
Mar 18 20:17:03 <Sparks> jjmcd: You were working on a script to "fix"
publican srpms for Fedora.
Mar 18 20:17:07 <joat> i still haven't figured that one out yet
Mar 18 20:17:08 <Sparks> jjmcd: Where are you with this?
Mar 18 20:17:15 <jjmcd> No progress there since last week, although I am convinced
that it isn't a big deal
Mar 18 20:17:33 <Sparks> Should we just use the old tools as necessary?
Mar 18 20:17:34 <jjmcd> I figure I;m trainable -- worst case I write a spc file
Mar 18 20:17:51 <jjmcd> I don't know how applicable they are
Mar 18 20:18:03 <jjmcd> I am studying them to see what I can rip off tho
Mar 18 20:18:17 <Sparks> quaid: We can use the "old" tool to create docs
from the Docbook XMLs, correct?
Mar 18 20:18:24 <quaid> well
Mar 18 20:18:27 <quaid> yes, but it's a port back
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Mar 18 20:18:40 <Sparks> Why?
Mar 18 20:18:46 <quaid> hmm
Mar 18 20:18:50 <jjmcd> We can create the docs from Pubblican, the only thing we are
lacking is the spec file
Mar 18 20:18:55 <quaid> maybe not so much, but not sure if you can have
Mar 18 20:19:03 <quaid> as single set of XML files that is subservient to both
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Mar 18 20:19:09 <Sparks> jjmcd: We aren't lacking a spec file... We are lacking
proper information in the spec file
Mar 18 20:19:16 <jjmcd> yes
Mar 18 20:19:17 <quaid> e.g. fedora-doc-utils uses an rpm-info.xml file, etc.
Mar 18 20:19:30 <quaid> so what jjmcd is doing
Mar 18 20:19:37 <quaid> is probably saner, or equally sane.
Mar 18 20:19:44 <Sparks> Okay
Mar 18 20:19:47 <quaid> either we make one set of XML files work under both, or
Mar 18 20:19:59 <quaid> we make it work under Publican and hand-build a .spec file
for each guide.
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Mar 18 20:20:04 <quaid> (which are largely the same spec files, aiui)
Mar 18 20:20:18 <quaid> in this case, jjmcd has the f-d-u and stickster_afk's
brian to pick.
Mar 18 20:20:30 <jjmcd> I figure people write spec files every day and I'm
Mar 18 20:20:40 <quaid> with a six of one, half dozen of the other, let's pick
whatever moves us the most cm forward.
Mar 18 20:21:02 <jjmcd> And getting away from a long ugly toolchain is a win imo
Mar 18 20:21:11 <quaid> hey!
Mar 18 20:21:13 <quaid> it's not ugly
Mar 18 20:21:16 <Sparks> jjmcd: I can show you a "proper" spec file
Mar 18 20:21:26 <quaid> it just doesn't have an upstream other than ourselves
Mar 18 20:21:30 <jjmcd> Well, maybe I should say to a toolchain that somebody else
Mar 18 20:21:37 * quaid has also heard that said about Publican, fwiw :D
Mar 18 20:21:50 <Sparks> Well, my concern is that we HAVE to get the Release Notes
ready. I'd really like to get the security guide ready before F11, too.
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Mar 18 20:22:33 <jjmcd> Ryan's work has really moved us much farther along that
path than we are accustomed to being at this time
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Mar 18 20:22:47 <Sparks> +1
Mar 18 20:22:56 <Sparks> Okay, let's come back to the release notes in a bit.
Mar 18 20:23:40 <Sparks> jjmcd: Let's work on this more this weekend. I THINK I
should be around.
Mar 18 20:23:48 <jjmcd> good deal
Mar 18 20:23:55 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - CMS Update <--
Mar 18 20:24:03 <Sparks> I don't think ke4qqq is around tonight...
Mar 18 20:24:12
Mar 18 20:24:19 <Sparks> however I overheard him say that Zikula is now packaged.
Mar 18 20:24:31 <Sparks> and that he needs some help getting the modules packaged.
Mar 18 20:25:20 <Sparks> Does anyone have anything to add?
Mar 18 20:25:38 <Sparks> radsy: Thanks for the link. I'll try that out as it
fixes one of my bugs.
Mar 18 20:25:45 <ianweller> .whoowns zikula
Mar 18 20:25:45 <zodbot> ianweller: No such package exists.
Mar 18 20:25:50 * ianweller shrugs :P
Mar 18 20:26:11 <Sparks> ianweller: I think it is still going through the process...
Mar 18 20:26:15 <Sparks> but apparently is close
Mar 18 20:26:21 <ianweller> woo
Mar 18 20:26:57 <Sparks> Okay... next is...
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Mar 18 20:26:59 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - DocsProject wiki pages
Mar 18 20:27:14 <Sparks> I'm going to hand the mic over to ianweller who has a
few words to say.
Mar 18 20:27:26 <ianweller> actually what i had to say was wrt the wiki itself
Mar 18 20:27:28 <ianweller> so
Mar 18 20:27:35 * ianweller has changed the topic to: Docs Project - woo wiki woo
Mar 18 20:27:42 <ianweller> :)
Mar 18 20:28:04 <ianweller> um i was talking with mmcgrath yesterday and we'll
soon be upgrading from MW 1.13.3 to 1.14.0
Mar 18 20:28:31 <ianweller> if our extensions still work
Mar 18 20:28:40 <ianweller> the release notes mention a multitude of bug fixes and
some new features. it's mostly API stuff.
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Mar 18 20:29:11 <ianweller> i got Main Page renamed to Fedora Project Wiki
Mar 18 20:29:27 <ianweller> and so now we only have three open tickets on
fedora-wiki, which is nice.
Mar 18 20:29:43 * danielsmw claps approvingly.
Mar 18 20:30:01 <Sparks> What are those tickets? Anything big?
Mar 18 20:30:05 <ianweller> on friday, if i don't get distracted, i'll be
going through the Packaging.psv file manually
Mar 18 20:30:14 <ianweller> Sparks: they're big and not really touchable,
they're more infrastructure things
Mar 18 20:30:19
Mar 18 20:30:25 <ianweller> except for ticket 2
Mar 18 20:30:28 <laubersm> I should be around some of the day - let me know and
Mar 18 20:30:40 <ianweller> laubersm: wonderful
Mar 18 20:31:28 <ianweller> and as always, if anybody has a problem with the wiki,
they can add a ticket at fh.o/fedora-wiki
Mar 18 20:31:36 <ianweller> everything gets assigned to me by default so i'll
Mar 18 20:32:06 * Sparks writes a bot to log a ticket every minute
Mar 18 20:32:20 * ianweller opens a ticket at fedora-infrastructure to ban Sparks
Mar 18 20:32:27 <ianweller> ok i'm done :)
Mar 18 20:32:28 <laubersm> I think we need a new push for how renaming helps search
- ie blog posts... I have been seeing renewed enthusiasm for wiki pages but bad name
Mar 18 20:32:30 <Sparks> touche
Mar 18 20:32:53 <ianweller> laubersm: if you can lead that effort that'd be
Mar 18 20:33:01 <ianweller> i feel like i'm throwing things on you massively
Mar 18 20:33:03 <laubersm> Marketing and Ambassadors have gotten on board (some) but
so many more groups should move meeting pages and archive stuff!
Mar 18 20:33:10 * Sparks thought there was a howto in the help about naming schemes
Mar 18 20:33:17 <laubersm> Even that little bit would help a lot.
Mar 18 20:33:22 <Sparks> Maybe some education or something
Mar 18 20:33:28 <jjmcd> you expect people to read the instructions?
Mar 18 20:33:43 <Sparks> that or shock therapy
Mar 18 20:34:16 <zoglesby> ianweller: didn't you do a blog post about that
Mar 18 20:34:19 <danielsmw> +1 to shock therapy.
Mar 18 20:34:23 <laubersm> There are what - over 10 of us here tonight - that is one
blog post per day for over a week about how renaming helps and where to find the docs...
Mar 18 20:34:38 <ianweller> zoglesby: i think so
Mar 18 20:34:53 <ianweller> recently == long enough ago to forget
Mar 18 20:34:55 <ianweller> ;)
Mar 18 20:34:58 <zoglesby> lol
Mar 18 20:35:17 <laubersm> Yeah ianweller what happened to wiki tip a week? Did you
go on to wiki tip per year?
Mar 18 20:35:26 <ianweller> laubersm: :) i realize that every now and then
Mar 18 20:35:29 <ianweller> and then get horribly distracted. :(
Mar 18 20:35:32 <zoglesby> I'm not sure how much people think about titles when
they add to the wiki as much as it is get the info out there
Mar 18 20:35:36 <ianweller> and/or have nothing to write about
Mar 18 20:36:29 <laubersm> zoglesby, the new stuff isn't my biggest concern at
the moment - it is cleaning up the old stuff - getting each group to say what stays and
Mar 18 20:36:36 <Sparks> ianweller: Is there a naming scheme on the wiki?
Mar 18 20:36:37 <joat> I think that once it slides off the front page (if it was
there at all), people tend to use search functions rather than indexes
Mar 18 20:36:46 <laubersm> A new page was created recently and didn't show in
the search - only it did - it was hit number about 800.
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Mar 18 20:37:08 <jjmcd> I think newer pages show up last
Mar 18 20:37:19 <ianweller> Sparks: i really don't know what you're asking
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Mar 18 20:37:44 <Sparks> we need a page that describes the "proper" way to
name a wiki page
Mar 18 20:37:52 <Sparks> guidelines... ideas... tips
Mar 18 20:37:53 <ianweller> thought we had one
Mar 18 20:37:59 <ianweller> somewhere in Help: or FedoraProject:
Mar 18 20:38:00 <laubersm> jjmcd, which is an infrastructure issue (and a ticket for
ianweller) :) but about half those pages were meeting of F7 or FC4 or ....
Mar 18 20:38:00 <Sparks> that's my queston
Mar 18 20:38:23 <laubersm> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Contents
Mar 18 20:38:39 <laubersm> Sparks, you are looking for
Mar 18 20:38:46 <Sparks> yes, tu
Mar 18 20:39:48 <laubersm> I also need to get this incorporated somewhere:
Mar 18 20:40:17 <Sparks> Okay, I'll put something out on the blog tonight... If
we see someone create a new page that is named poorly let's contact the creator and
point them to that help page
Mar 18 20:41:40 <Sparks> How many "docs" pages do we still need to
Mar 18 20:41:59 <laubersm> I think the DocsProject/* pages are all renamed - though
many still need updating in content.
Mar 18 20:42:07 <laubersm> There are some Docs/* pages left though
Mar 18 20:42:13 <laubersm> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Docs_Project
Mar 18 20:42:17 <jjmcd> I found a few of the Docs/Beats pages the other night - had
a different agenda tho so didn't rename them
Mar 18 20:42:37 <jjmcd> But I have a list
Mar 18 20:42:49 <laubersm> I have been trying to get them into a category or sub
Mar 18 20:43:32 <laubersm> I would also like to see the Docs Project category with a
few less items - ie placed into reasonable sub categories...
Mar 18 20:44:33 <laubersm> It is a wiki - be bold - and don't wait for me :)
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Mar 18 20:44:48 <ianweller> or me :)
Mar 18 20:45:10 <jjmcd> third quarter buzzer
Mar 18 20:45:33 <Sparks> Okay, anything else for the wiki?
Mar 18 20:45:44 <ianweller> newp
Mar 18 20:45:53 * ianweller has changed the topic to: Docs Project - not the wiki
Mar 18 20:46:12 <laubersm> yeah - what he said
Mar 18 20:46:39 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Release Notes
<-- ryanlerch & jjmcd
Mar 18 20:46:47 <jjmcd> I have a few notes
Mar 18 20:46:48 <Sparks> ryanlerch: jjmcd: What's the word?
Mar 18 20:46:53 <jjmcd> 1) Reviewed beats for Beta one page, looks pretty
Mar 18 20:47:00 <jjmcd> 2) quaid assures me we need to do nothing for the one-page
Mar 18 20:47:08 <jjmcd> 3) Need better update info on ext4, ke4qqq working on it
Mar 18 20:47:15 <jjmcd> 4) Just got an update on EDA from Chitlesh, outstanding
Mar 18 20:47:23 <jjmcd> 5) There are some places we are weak, but most we can deal
with. We need the most help on the Networking beat
Mar 18 20:47:32 <jjmcd> 6) Ryan moved Publican source to git, I moved a little more
from wiki to Publican, looks like Ryan did too. Still work to do there but not in really
Mar 18 20:47:41 <jjmcd> 7) Wiki freeze 4/1, preview RNs due 15th, I estimate 2-3
days work between now and 15th
Mar 18 20:47:50 <jjmcd> that's the end of my notes
Mar 18 20:48:23 <ryanlerch> that about sums it up for me as well...
Mar 18 20:49:02 <Sparks> Okay... Any questions?
Mar 18 20:49:33 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Installation
Guide <-- ke4qqq
Mar 18 20:49:42 <Sparks> And ke4qqq is no where to be found...
Mar 18 20:49:48 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Security Guide
Mar 18 20:49:53 <Sparks> Okay...
Mar 18 20:50:08 <Sparks> actually... radsy, do you have anything for the Security
Mar 18 20:50:40 <radsy> there are some minor changes that were brought up from the
Mar 18 20:50:47 <radsy> that i'd like to implement
Mar 18 20:50:54 <rudi> FWIW, there's a test build of the Publicanized IG now
massively expanded with content from its RHEL equivalent available here:
Mar 18 20:51:11 <jjmcd> I was looking at that -- looks pretty good
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Mar 18 20:51:15 <radsy> but still not sure what's happening with packaging etc.
Mar 18 20:51:31 <Sparks> rudi: I'm sorry, I forgot you were handling that...
I'll come back to you in a second.
Mar 18 20:51:37 <rudi> NP
Mar 18 20:51:46 <Sparks> radsy: Okay, I just downloaded the new versions of
Mar 18 20:51:59 <jjmcd> Are we going to translate the guides to 40 languages, too?
Mar 18 20:52:12 <Sparks> radsy: I'm going to grab the latest from SVN and
package it and put it on the ticket and also let jjmcd have a run at it
Mar 18 20:52:21 <radsy> ok great
Mar 18 20:52:27 <Sparks> jjmcd: Yes please
Mar 18 20:53:19 <radsy> i have been moved to mdious' old selinux confined
services guide, so i'm stretching it to have the time to put in much more
Mar 18 20:53:28 <radsy> by release
Mar 18 20:53:39 <Sparks> cool
Mar 18 20:54:06 <radsy> some good feedback from the community however.
Mar 18 20:54:14 <radsy> that's about all for me
Mar 18 20:54:17 <Sparks> Okay, anything else for the Sec Guide?
Mar 18 20:54:46 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Installation
Guide <-- rui
Mar 18 20:54:49 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Installation
Guide <-- rudi
Mar 18 20:55:03 <Sparks> rudi: what have you got for us today?
Mar 18 20:55:45 <rudi> Well, still working on single-sourcing the Fedora and RHEL
versions of the guide
Mar 18 20:56:16 <rudi> There's a lot of content that I've been able to
scrounge from the RHEL version to expand the Fedora version
Mar 18 20:56:43 <rudi> (and that situation will reverse as RHEL 6 looms)
Mar 18 20:56:54 <rudi> The biggest visual change is lots of pretty pictures :)
Mar 18 20:57:16 <rudi> (Something like 40 or 50 screenshots now, in 36 languages)
Mar 18 20:57:22 <Sparks> Wow
Mar 18 20:58:00 <rudi> A really exciting thing on the L10N front is that there are
six languages other than English that are also essentially complete
Mar 18 20:58:12 <Sparks> That's great!
Mar 18 20:58:36 <rudi> By a strange co-incidence, I'm currently working on the
"Uninstalling RHEL" chapter
Mar 18 20:58:48 <rudi> Which dovetails nicely with the conversation on f-d-l
Mar 18 20:59:05 <Sparks> funny how it seems to work that way.
Mar 18 20:59:12 <rudi> So I'll be drawing on the wiki to augment and expand that
material and make it more Fedora-specific
Mar 18 20:59:13 <Sparks> So will have be in the Installation guide?
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Mar 18 20:59:39 <Sparks> So will that be in the Installation guide?
Mar 18 20:59:53 <rudi> Seems like a logical place for it
Mar 18 21:00:13 <Sparks> in some sort of weird world, yes.
Mar 18 21:00:20 <Sparks> kinda like having to "start" to shut down
Mar 18 21:00:21 <Sparks> :)
Mar 18 21:00:29 <rudi> Heh indeed :)
Mar 18 21:00:32 <jjmcd> Sounds like Windows - to stop click start
Mar 18 21:00:38 <jjmcd> yeah
Mar 18 21:00:50 <rudi> I should have finished preparing that sometime in the next
Mar 18 21:00:55 <laubersm> rudi - feel free to add to the wiki page too... at least
a link that there is more info in <other place>
Mar 18 21:01:05 <rudi> thanks laubersm
Mar 18 21:01:23 <Sparks> quaid: No one follows us at this hour, correct?
Mar 18 21:01:45 <rudi> But anyway, that's about it.
Mar 18 21:01:51 <Sparks> cool
Mar 18 21:01:53 <Sparks> Anyone have any questions or comments?
Mar 18 21:01:53 * jjmcd doesn't hear anyone beating on the door
Mar 18 21:01:56 <danielsmw> I just wanted to say that a few of us ended up making an
odfpy07 package which, when installed, fixes the problems we were having with mw-render.
I'm going to try to get that approved as a fedora package and hopefully mw-render will
be back in business.
Mar 18 21:02:02 <danielsmw> Then the UG can be converted and done.
Mar 18 21:02:05 <danielsmw> And that's all. :)
Mar 18 21:02:47 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on User Guide
Mar 18 21:02:58 <Sparks> So what danielsmw said... :)
Mar 18 21:03:02 <danielsmw> No, really! That was all!
Mar 18 21:03:03 <danielsmw> Basically
Mar 18 21:03:09 <danielsmw> kirkz has been doing
Mar 18 21:03:10 <Sparks> Anyone have any questions?
Mar 18 21:03:14 <danielsmw> an amazing about of editing.
Mar 18 21:03:21 <danielsmw> so we just need to convert to xml.
Mar 18 21:03:38 <Sparks> excellent
Mar 18 21:04:05 <Sparks> Okay... moving right along...
Mar 18 21:04:07 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on SELinux Guide
Mar 18 21:04:25 <Sparks> I don't think mdious is onboard tonight.
Mar 18 21:04:32 <ianweller> he is not.
Mar 18 21:04:34 <radsy> i've been moved to this guide
Mar 18 21:04:40 * danielsmw has quit ("Lost terminal")
Mar 18 21:04:45 <Sparks> radsy: Okay, do you have anything you'd like to say?
Mar 18 21:04:50 <radsy> mdious left the docs team
Mar 18 21:05:17 <Sparks> really?
Mar 18 21:05:18 <ianweller> wha
Mar 18 21:05:25 <radsy> very little to report for the managing-confined-services
guide, only minor changes and lots of planning
Mar 18 21:05:53 <radsy> he's gone to the other side of our office, the security
Mar 18 21:06:20 <Sparks> wow
Mar 18 21:06:33 <Sparks> Okay, so any questions about the SELinux guide?
Mar 18 21:06:36 <ianweller> :(
Mar 18 21:06:54 <radsy> thought you all knew :\
Mar 18 21:07:24 <Sparks> radsy: Nope, hadn't heard that
Mar 18 21:08:28 <radsy> well, no questions or major updates really, still early
Mar 18 21:08:42 <Sparks> Okay...
Mar 18 21:08:44 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Open Discussion
Mar 18 21:08:46 <laubersm> Another thing I noticed that needs to be done at some
point... is a cleanup of bugzilla (Classification: Fedora - Product: Fedora
Mar 18 21:08:47 <Sparks> Anyone have anything?
Mar 18 21:08:50
Mar 18 21:08:55 <laubersm> 83 bugs?
Mar 18 21:09:08 <laubersm> A lot look like they are auto assigned to quaid or
Mar 18 21:09:13 <Sparks> laubersm: I don't think I have access to those bugs...
Mar 18 21:09:23 <Sparks> quaid: You still here?
Mar 18 21:09:26 <laubersm> I closed a bunch as wont fix - EOL
Mar 18 21:09:37 <Sparks> laubersm: Cool.
Mar 18 21:09:49 <laubersm> .fasinfo laubersm
Mar 18 21:09:50 <Sparks> laubersm: How many are left?
Mar 18 21:09:51 <zodbot> laubersm: User: laubersm, Name: Susan Lauber, email:
susan(a)ties.org, Creation: 2008-09-26, IRC Nick: , Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en,
Extension: 5115531, GPG key ID: BFA10974
Mar 18 21:09:53 <zodbot> laubersm: Approved Groups: cla_done fedorabugs docs
sysadmin ambassadors cla_fedora sysadmin-test gitinstall-guide gitwikirename
Mar 18 21:09:54 <zodbot> laubersm: Unapproved Groups: None
Mar 18 21:10:05 <laubersm> quaid, and stickster_afk helped me get fedorabugs group
Mar 18 21:10:15 <laubersm> that let me work on some cleanup.
Mar 18 21:10:18 <Sparks> ahhh
Mar 18 21:10:19 <Sparks> cool
Mar 18 21:10:31 <Sparks> I'll check on that.
Mar 18 21:10:35 <laubersm> But I don't really have time right now to add that to
my list of things to do.
Mar 18 21:10:46 <Sparks> Anyone have anything else?
Mar 18 21:11:32 <Sparks> 5
Mar 18 21:11:33 <Sparks> 4
Mar 18 21:11:35 <Sparks> 3
Mar 18 21:11:36 <Sparks> 2
Mar 18 21:11:37 <Sparks> 1
Mar 18 21:11:46 <Sparks> Thanks everyone for coming!
Mar 18 21:11:46 <Sparks> </meeting>