Couple of quick points/questions about requests to join the 'cvsdocs' group.
* Is there an outdated set of instructions somewhere that tell translators they need to request 'cvsdocs' access? - That used to be true but is no longer needed (since the creation of 'cvsl10n'.)
* I personally don't receive email about requests for 'cvsdocs'. It seems the 'Administrator' role doesn't get those, by design. Is anyone else getting these alerts? - The folks who are 'Sponsors' should be getting those
thx - Karsten
On Nov 24, 2007 8:54 PM, Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
Couple of quick points/questions about requests to join the 'cvsdocs' group.
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- I personally don't receive email about requests for 'cvsdocs'. It
seems the 'Administrator' role doesn't get those, by design. Is anyone else getting these alerts?
- The folks who are 'Sponsors' should be getting those
I receive an occasional email, which is why I went to the secure web page and authorized all those on the "back list".
Best Regards,
John Babich Volunteer, FDP
On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 21:01 +0300, John Babich wrote:
On Nov 24, 2007 8:54 PM, Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
Couple of quick points/questions about requests to join the 'cvsdocs' group.
< snip >
- I personally don't receive email about requests for 'cvsdocs'. It
seems the 'Administrator' role doesn't get those, by design. Is anyone else getting these alerts?
- The folks who are 'Sponsors' should be getting those
I receive an occasional email, which is why I went to the secure web page and authorized all those on the "back list".
I also see the mail when someone authorizes. I don't recall seeing any actual authorization *request* recently, though. And as Karsten says, we probably don't need to (and shouldn't) grant overall CVS access for people who are going to be translating rather than authoring/editing. No big deal as an open project, except for disaster prevention.
On Nov 24, 2007 10:38 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
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I also see the mail when someone authorizes. I don't recall seeing any actual authorization *request* recently, though. And as Karsten says, we probably don't need to (and shouldn't) grant overall CVS access for people who are going to be translating rather than authoring/editing. No big deal as an open project, except for disaster prevention.
Not to be too bureaucratic, but do we have a clear-cut rule?
Is it that anyone working on wiki docs, gets access? What about people wanting to translate wiki pages?
What about people who only work on DocBook XML?
I'm genuinely confused (no comments, please), so please give some guidelines or point to a written doc for my benefit and others.
Best Regards,
John Babich Volunteer, FDP
On Sun, 2007-11-25 at 15:42 +0300, John Babich wrote:
On Nov 24, 2007 10:38 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
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I also see the mail when someone authorizes. I don't recall seeing any actual authorization *request* recently, though. And as Karsten says, we probably don't need to (and shouldn't) grant overall CVS access for people who are going to be translating rather than authoring/editing. No big deal as an open project, except for disaster prevention.
Not to be too bureaucratic, but do we have a clear-cut rule?
Is it that anyone working on wiki docs, gets access? What about people wanting to translate wiki pages?
What about people who only work on DocBook XML?
I'm genuinely confused (no comments, please), so please give some guidelines or point to a written doc for my benefit and others.
Well, the translators have their own signup routines, as codified in the Translation Quick Start Guide:
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/
Note that the instructions only ask them to sign up for the "cvsl10n" group (Sections 2.6 and 4). I suppose we could put in a warning of some sort, but that seems like overkill -- after all, the Packagers group doesn't put up admonitions not to sign up for "cvsdocs," right? All CVS access is granted by need with an extremely low barrier, but in this case the need is zero, since translators in the "cvsl10n" group automatically can deal with any documentation's "po/" folder in CVS.
On Sun, 2007-11-25 at 11:46 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Well, the translators have their own signup routines, as codified in the Translation Quick Start Guide:
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/
Note that the instructions only ask them to sign up for the "cvsl10n" group (Sections 2.6 and 4). I suppose we could put in a warning of some sort, but that seems like overkill -- after all, the Packagers group doesn't put up admonitions not to sign up for "cvsdocs," right? All CVS access is granted by need with an extremely low barrier, but in this case the need is zero, since translators in the "cvsl10n" group automatically can deal with any documentation's "po/" folder in CVS.
As a follow-up to this ...
We aren't restrictive per-se on who can have 'cvsdocs' access; one just needs to follow the instructions. But there is value to us in having 'cvsdocs' be populated with "people who have this access for the intention of writing or editing documentation." Then we can look at the number of people in the 'cvsdocs' group and use it to inform us as to how many folks are "writing for Fedora." Also, we use the 'cvsdocs' group to define who can vote in Fedora Documentation Project elections; this is a common practice in other groups to only allow voting from those within the commit group.
To me, it's a relatively low barrier that ensures:
i. The person hurdling it actually intends to do so; ii. The person hurdling it proves capable of making the hurdle
- Karsten
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