11:04 < quaid> 11:04 < quaid> prepping for a 'bot :) 11:04 * quaid notes Sparks is present 11:04 < quaid> [[USer:Kwade|quaid]] esta aqui 11:04 < stickster> present! 11:05 < jjmcd> et moi, aussi 11:05 -!- danielsmw [n=danielsm@cu-nat-2.clemson.edu] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:05 -!- notting [n=notting@redhat/notting] has left #fedora-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] 11:05 < quaid> word to that 11:06 < quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Wednesday.2C_10_December_2008 11:07 * jsmith is here 11:07 < quaid> ok, then 11:08 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg - helper docs 11:08 < quaid> stickster: we have a Catch-22, don't we? 11:08 < quaid> are we going to try to put off some of this work for the virtual hackfest this month? 11:09 -!- loupgaroublond [n=loupgaro@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:11 * danielsmw is here but listening in the background 11:11 < quaid> word 11:11 < quaid> I'm thinking ... 11:11 < quaid> we need to really figure that we'll do improvements to our actual self-help-ourselves docs 11:11 < quaid> during the group hackfest 11:12 < Sparks> yes 11:12 < quaid> a good first step is to get the page renaming done 11:12 * Sparks creates a topic portion of the hackfest page 11:12 < quaid> which I started on, and can take as a deliverable for next week. 11:12 < quaid> that will show the holes better, etc. 11:15 -!- ezq [n=ezq@host129.190-136-192.telecom.net.ar] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 11:16 < Sparks> Do we want to do any page migration to xml during the hackfest? 11:16 < quaid> hmm 11:16 < quaid> if there is an F9 User Guide, why not? 11:16 < Sparks> Maybe we can update it for F10 at the same time (or near the same time) 11:17 < quaid> yes, another good one 11:17 < danielsmw> chiming in 11:17 < danielsmw> as for the f9 user guide 11:17 < danielsmw> there really isn't that much progress on it 11:17 < danielsmw> and a few pages are already on f10 11:18 < danielsmw> so perhaps during the hackfest 11:18 < danielsmw> we can go ahead and do what sparks suggests 11:18 < danielsmw> update to f9, put that somewhere and start converting 11:18 < danielsmw> and then go ahead and update to f10 11:18 < quaid> ok 11:18 * Sparks writes idea to wiki 11:18 < quaid> danielsmw: while the topic is open, have you thought about the F8 push? 11:18 < danielsmw> the f8 push to xml? 11:19 * quaid is now off topic :) 11:19 < quaid> danielsmw: no, just to a specific wiki place 11:19 < danielsmw> quaid: i hadn't though of it, but that can be done. i saw that on the list. we'll just move it to a subdirector called F8-User-Guide or something 11:19 < danielsmw> quaid: i'm pretty busy this week, but I can do that first half of next week 11:20 < quaid> danielsmw: sure, that works; I can work with you on a good wiki name and such forth 11:21 < danielsmw> quaid: its settled then, see you next week. 11:22 < quaid> Sparks: what is the hackfest page url? 11:23 -!- Gaaruto [n=Gaaruto@fedora/Gaaruto] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:23 < quaid> anything more on this topic? 11:23 < Sparks> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Holiday_Virtual_Hackfest 11:23 < quaid> ACTION: quaid to work with everyone on page naming by 17 Dec 11:24 < quaid> ACTION: helping docs worked on during virt hackfest 11:25 < quaid> Sparks: I'm moving the 'deadline' on that to 23 Dec, so that is the day for us to have things all finalized before the following weekend comes 11:26 < Sparks> works for me 11:26 * quaid living in his Judeo-Christian country will also be distracted from 23 to 26ish 11:26 * Sparks considers renaming the page to something more... appropriate 11:26 < quaid> heh 11:26 < quaid> Docs_Project_holiday_virtual_hackfest? 11:27 < jjmcd> Something like Docs/Hackfest/Holiday/2008/Virtual ? 11:27 < Sparks> Yeah, what jjmcd said. 11:27 < Sparks> :) 11:27 * quaid kicks jjmcd under the table 11:27 < jjmcd> ow 11:27 < quaid> heh, oh dear 11:28 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg - F11 planning 11:28 < quaid> for example ... 11:28 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg - F11 planning :: CMS 11:28 < quaid> jsmith: so you are looking for a CMS that has XML on the backend with CMS wysiwyg editing? 11:30 < jsmith> quaid: Yes, in a nutshell 11:30 < quaid> I'm looking for collaborators 11:30 < quaid> to help find a solution 11:30 < quaid> so this is where we have some crossover, maybe ... 11:30 < jsmith> I'm happy to share what I've found. 11:31 < quaid> let 11:31 < quaid> let's gather stuff on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites 11:32 < jjmcd> Are the objectives documented somewhere 11:32 * quaid adding another section at the end 11:32 < quaid> jjmcd: I think that page does it 11:32 * quaid also updates schedule section 11:34 -!- laubersm [n=susan@fedora/laubersm] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:35 < quaid> laubersm: discussing # Tweak through F10 release 11:35 < quaid> # After F10, migrate www. to tweaked solution 11:35 < quaid> wooks 11:35 < quaid> woops, even! 11:35 < quaid> let's gather stuff on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites 11:35 * quaid now adding a fourth section for list of possible CMS solutions 11:36 < ke4qqq> are we going to adjust the schedule along with that? 11:36 < quaid> jsmith: as you see, we didn't really have Docbook as an high ideal, low expectations there basically 11:36 < quaid> jsmith: we tried to hack that in to Plone with zero real success 11:36 < jsmith> RIght 11:36 < quaid> ke4qqq: I did somewhat, reload the page 11:36 < quaid> and then tell me what you think about it :) 11:37 -!- openpercept [n=openperc@unaffiliated/openpercept] has quit ["Leaving."] 11:37 < ke4qqq> ok - that at least seems more within the realm of the possible. 11:38 < quaid> :D 11:38 < quaid> the thing is ... 11:38 < quaid> I'd LOVE to train people on using it on Sat. of the fudcon varcamp 11:38 < quaid> and it's a fair hackfest to do on Friday, when websites and infra are there to help us solve problems 11:38 < quaid> so we could go live with a working yet work to do instance that day 11:41 -!- pingou_ [n=Pingou@fedora/pingou] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:42 < quaid> all right, I guess more list discussion is in order :) 11:42 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg :: Task table https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_admin_tasks_for_experienced_contributors#Task_table 11:43 < quaid> it's updated to this meeting so far 11:43 < quaid> toolchain next steps is going to be part of the virt hackfest, I reckon 11:44 < quaid> how about publican migration? 11:44 < quaid> are we trying to load too much in to those days? 11:44 < quaid> by we, I mean me, of course :) 11:44 -!- MrTom [n=mrtom@fedora/MrTom] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:45 < ke4qqq> I don't know - whats the level of effort/time for publican migration 11:45 < Sparks> Well... The Security Guide (in some form) has been changed to XML. 11:46 < quaid> ke4qqq: ok, so let's talk about the Installation Guide as an example 11:46 < quaid> here is the rough overview: 11:46 < quaid> * XML files need to be renamed 11:46 < quaid> * Some sections need renaming 11:46 < quaid> * Small amount of XML fixes possible 11:46 < quaid> * Some new files need creating (small) 11:47 < quaid> that's probably it 11:47 < quaid> the release notes are already using the Properly_named.xml style 11:47 < quaid> so that one would be easier; I was Publican-proofing this time :) 11:47 < ke4qqq> Is there documentation on migrating - everything I have seen on publican is starting from scratch 11:47 < quaid> ke4qqq: exactly, there is not 11:47 < quaid> so we want to self-doc, too 11:47 < ke4qqq> that sounds like a half day worth of work easy 11:47 < quaid> yes, that's about my estimate 11:47 < ke4qqq> more if we have to document along the way 11:48 < quaid> we do have the option of pushing this closer to F11, or doing it as a hackfest onsite at FUDCon 11:49 < ke4qqq> I'd rather us take a simple doc and do it to write the documentation 11:49 < ke4qqq> and maybe do the rest as a hackfest or as we have time 11:49 < quaid> do we have a simple doc that would work with? 11:49 < stickster> Guys, I'm sorry I've been quiet meeting wise, I just got off a phone call 11:49 < quaid> np 11:50 < quaid> and now you have to jet! 11:50 < stickster> I know, it sucks :-( 11:50 < ke4qqq> I don't know - IG may be the simple doc 11:50 * stickster 's whole week has gone this way 11:50 < laubersm> ke4qqq: +1 on last - simple one and document now; rest later and expand documentation if needed 11:50 < quaid> welll, it helps Publican overall, since other people would want to migrate 11:50 < jsmith> stickster: Mine too! 11:50 < quaid> ok, let's set the virtual hackfest goal 11:50 < ke4qqq> yeah mine has been the same way stickster - something evil this week. 11:51 < quaid> to be to write a migration doc and *start* migrating $something 11:52 * Sparks moves that idea to the wiki 11:52 -!- Pikachu_2015 [n=Pikachu_@81-66-25-208.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:52 -!- Pikachu_2014 [n=Pikachu_@81-66-25-208.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 11:52 -!- Pikachu_2015 is now known as Pikachu_2014 11:53 < quaid> ok, next task table item 11:53 < quaid> is the team per document 11:53 < quaid> I'll write an email on that to the list right now, since the early deadline is approaching 11:53 -!- walters [n=walters@c-24-63-200-153.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:55 < ke4qqq> we have a struggle there that I don't know that we've even identified a lead for every document yet have we? 11:55 < quaid> yep 11:55 < quaid> that's part of it, the task 11:55 < quaid> is a bit unclear there 11:55 < quaid> it's lead *and* team, but lead is key IMO to keeping it alive 11:55 < quaid> if no one person is willing to try to get a team ... 11:55 < ke4qqq> I agree 11:56 < quaid> also, lead != all is good, since no one person should have to do it her/his self 11:56 < ke4qqq> right 11:57 < ke4qqq> and refresh my memory - was the thought that we'd drop a document if it had no lead? 11:57 < quaid> yeah 11:57 < quaid> since a team without a lead here is too problematic 11:57 < jjmcd> Where is the list of docs and current (if any) leads? 11:57 < quaid> if folks want to act as a collective and can put together a plan that will work, that's probably OK 11:57 * stickster drops off to pick up daughter 11:57 -!- stickster is now known as stickster_afk 11:57 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_content_tasks_for_experienced_contributors 11:58 < ke4qqq> so you are still listed on a ton of documents quaid, which of those are you really the lead for? 11:59 < quaid> I'll remove myself 11:59 < quaid> none, really 11:59 -!- ixxs is now known as ixs 11:59 < quaid> that is ... I did that with the standard "guy in charge takes on all that no one else is doing" 11:59 < quaid> so I can do that later if we think it's worthy, but I'm not really supposed to be taking on *more* Docs work :) 12:00 < ke4qqq> thats what I thought - I think we need to strip your name from them - otherwise people will assume you have it covered :) 12:00 * quaid strips 12:01 -!- dwmw2 is now known as dwmw2_gone 12:01 -!- Zool^ [n=kaland@19.81-166-29.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:03 < Sparks> yikes 12:06 < quaid> sorry, crazy 12:06 < quaid> actually my mouse was working, but full desktop lock 12:06 < quaid> ok, time to close the meeting here 12:06 * quaid figures FAMSCo coming in? 12:07 < quaid> head back to #fedora-docs to finish up discussions 12:07 < quaid>