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Need Second pair of eyes & have a question
by Kirk 20 Feb '09

20 Feb '09

If anyone has the time could you proof these two pages that are for the F10 User Guide. I've looked at them so much I'm blind, but I think they're finished. https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=User:Kirk202/User_Guide_-_Commu… & https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=User:Kirk202/User_Guide_-_Tour_… Question: I've placed two small screenshots on the page and would like to link them to a larger screenshot that shows more detail when the small one is clicked. How do I make this link? (this is the page I'm referring to: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=User:Kirk202/User_Guide_-_Loggi… ) Thanks, Kirk Z

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For FAD, the F9 User Guide is pseudo-basically-done
by Matthew Daniels 20 Feb '09

20 Feb '09

I've saved the MediaWiki source to my machine locally for the F9 UG, and will get it up to CVS ASAP. Either way, the FAD guys should be cool to work right at fp.o/wiki/User_Guide_tasks tomorrow for the F10 content. I should hop on IRC around 2:20 EST and will call in to help editing. Anyone else is welcome to do this as well; check Karsten's past emails for the schedule. I will periodically check email throughout the day as well; perhaps some optimistic status updates would help my test grades. :-) - Matthew -- _____________________________ Reply To: danielsmw(a)gmail.com

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FDSCo Meeting 2009-02-18 IRC log
by Eric Christensen 18 Feb '09

18 Feb '09

Feb 18 14:00:30 <Sparks> <meeting id="Docs Project"> Feb 18 14:00:32 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings Feb 18 14:00:39 <Sparks> Roll Call! Feb 18 14:00:39 * Sparks is here Feb 18 14:00:46 * ke4qqq is here Feb 18 14:00:50 <kirkz> Kirkz is here Feb 18 14:00:54 * quaid aqui tambien Feb 18 14:00:55 * jjmcd too Feb 18 14:01:32 <Sparks> Okay, welcome back to the party we call the Docs Project. Feb 18 14:01:43 * stickster here, sort of Feb 18 14:01:47 <kirkz> Yeah!!!!!! Feb 18 14:02:06 <Sparks> And the first item up for bid is... Feb 18 14:02:06 * laubersm is here Feb 18 14:02:10 <Sparks> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FDSCo_meeting_matrix Feb 18 14:02:10 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Meeting time change Feb 18 14:02:38 <Sparks> So only seven people have completed the requisite homework. Feb 18 14:03:02 <jjmcd> So does that mean the attendance will be <= 7 ? Feb 18 14:03:10 <Sparks> And right now Thursday at 00:01 UTC is winning. Feb 18 14:03:13 * laubersm thinks someone should have marked out the spots already taken in meeting channel Feb 18 14:03:31 <Sparks> laubersm: We have LOTS of meeting spaces Feb 18 14:03:32 <laubersm> sparks: thats wed night ET - right? Feb 18 14:03:36 <ke4qqq> laubersm: ohhh good idea Feb 18 14:03:53 <Sparks> laubersm: That would be 7PM Wednesday nights Feb 18 14:03:56 <Sparks> eastern time Feb 18 14:04:04 <ke4qqq> Sparks: but in -meeting gives a lot of visibility to what we are doing Feb 18 14:04:20 * laubersm is still having to think too hard about UTC Feb 18 14:04:30 * mdomsch (n=Matt_Dom(a)cpe-70-124-62-55.austin.res.rr.com) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 18 14:04:53 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Yeah and while I agree... we still need to think about good timing for us without having to cram every other group into our schedule, IMO. Feb 18 14:04:59 <jjmcd> laubersm: Becom a ham or move to England Feb 18 14:05:06 <laubersm> :) Feb 18 14:05:08 <Sparks> ke4qqq: If we start using meeting-1 then more people will be ther Feb 18 14:05:24 <ke4qqq> true Feb 18 14:05:35 <Sparks> I wonder how many people even KNOW there is a meeting-1 (I'm guessing 9) Feb 18 14:06:04 * laubersm does but .... Feb 18 14:06:27 <kirkz> I don't know what meeting-1 is Feb 18 14:06:49 <Sparks> kirkz: Have we assigned you a... mentor? Feb 18 14:07:04 <kirkz> not yet Feb 18 14:07:14 <kirkz> .been working with danielsmw Feb 18 14:07:19 <Sparks> kirkz: Okay, lets talk after the meeting... Feb 18 14:07:25 <kirkz> ok Feb 18 14:07:43 <Sparks> So I guess my question is... who CANNOT meet Thursday at 00:01 UTC? Feb 18 14:08:06 <kirkz> I Feb 18 14:08:22 <kirkz> I'll probably be late, my daughter has piano Feb 18 14:09:17 <Sparks> If we use that spot then we'll fall in between EPEL and LATAM. Feb 18 14:09:59 <jjmcd> I notice ryanlerch is lacking from the list ... did anyone speak with him? Feb 18 14:10:31 * Sparks notes that there are people here today that didn't say they were available now. Feb 18 14:10:53 <Sparks> jjmcd: I don't know that I've discussed it with him directly but there have been emails to the list and such. Feb 18 14:11:00 <Sparks> jjmcd: I'll make a point of doing so. Feb 18 14:11:13 <jjmcd> This is a slightly troublesome time for me but obviously not insurmountable Feb 18 14:11:20 * moixs has quit (Remote closed the connection) Feb 18 14:11:47 <Sparks> Okay, so we don't get bogged down on this I'll beg for another week and then we will make the change next week. Feb 18 14:12:04 <Sparks> So when you see the message hit the list hit reply to all and let's discuss it. Feb 18 14:12:27 <laubersm> you might want to point out in the email the top options.... Feb 18 14:12:34 <Sparks> laubersm: +1 Feb 18 14:12:35 <laubersm> more likely to get protests than confirmations Feb 18 14:12:42 <jjmcd> good point Feb 18 14:13:12 <Sparks> Anything else? Feb 18 14:13:33 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - DocsProject wiki page changes Feb 18 14:13:58 <Sparks> So I asked ianweller about this last night and apparently there hasn't been any (or much) progress on getting wikibot out of the garage. Feb 18 14:14:34 <Sparks> quaid had a good point that we should probably just start over on the Docs Project pages which I'm not against. It is just more work but work we can do right the first time. Feb 18 14:15:13 <jjmcd> What is the issue with the wikibot? Feb 18 14:15:34 <Sparks> Not sure if it is a problem with only one person having the keys or if it is broken. Feb 18 14:16:12 <laubersm> I think it a little of both but ian thinks he can fix the broken if he can get the code Feb 18 14:16:32 <laubersm> at least that is what I last understood Feb 18 14:16:36 * stickster was an early proponent of starting over, also, with the idea being to create process docs that are as slim and readable as possible Feb 18 14:16:36 <Sparks> I'm personally leaning towards the "reinvent the wheel" at this point because a lot of the pages we have aren't useful and there needs to be a design change. Feb 18 14:16:38 * itbegins (n=Simon(a)nat-studcudn-172-24-62-0.fitz.cam.ac.uk) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 18 14:16:58 <Sparks> Yeah, what stickster said Feb 18 14:17:00 <laubersm> +1 Feb 18 14:17:12 <itbegins> Evening all, sorry I'm late Feb 18 14:17:16 <ke4qqq> starting over makes a lot of sense - the people who know what is junk and what isn't in existing docs prolly don't have time to filter it. Feb 18 14:17:24 <laubersm> Also, more groups are begining to rename and add categories and we need to be an example not left behind Feb 18 14:17:26 <jjmcd> Someone on the mailing list mentioned doing a process diagram. Perhaps a current and desired diagram would be a good starting point Feb 18 14:18:19 * jjmcd takes off his MBB hat Feb 18 14:18:48 <laubersm> what is the status of the psv files that quaid started? Feb 18 14:19:03 <laubersm> can they be used as a guideline of what to archive at least? Feb 18 14:19:05 <Sparks> laubersm: I think it still exists. Feb 18 14:19:17 <quaid> yes, they can Feb 18 14:19:18 <Sparks> I think that file needs to be wikized so we can see it. Feb 18 14:19:21 <ke4qqq> laubersm: you and I have worked on it - I haven't seen any other commits hit the commit list Feb 18 14:19:46 <ke4qqq> Sparks: what's wrong with git clone? Feb 18 14:19:56 <laubersm> they are all here Feb 18 14:19:57 <laubersm> http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=wikirename.git;a=tree Feb 18 14:20:05 * jsmith (n=nnnjsmit@asterisk/training-and-documentation-guru/jsmith) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 18 14:20:09 <quaid> -1 on wikifying, it's an easy file to work with Feb 18 14:20:12 <Sparks> ke4qqq: too much overhead for a group to look at and make changes Feb 18 14:20:46 <laubersm> I don't know that there are that many changes to make in the docs or docsproject ones... Feb 18 14:20:49 <Sparks> Good grief, you guys are going to make me work today Feb 18 14:21:08 <ke4qqq> if it's too much overhead for this group I'd be worried - we're talking hundreds of lines of text each - unwieldy at best. Feb 18 14:21:12 <ke4qqq> :) Feb 18 14:21:22 <laubersm> and quiad added category suggestions too Feb 18 14:21:23 <ke4qqq> sorry - was it supposed to be bonbon day today? Feb 18 14:22:12 <stickster> mmm bonbons Feb 18 14:22:14 <Sparks> Good grief... I'm ready to shred what we have in the wiki and start over from dirt after looking at that list Feb 18 14:22:31 * danielsmw_ipod (n=danielsm(a)user-24-214-179-165.knology.net) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 18 14:22:38 * danielsmw_ipod is now known as danielsmw Feb 18 14:22:49 <laubersm> looks like docsproject is all the ugly stuff - docs is beats and drafts and hasn't had any work done Feb 18 14:23:48 <ke4qqq> Sparks: another reason not to wikify, it'll further ruin search. Feb 18 14:24:27 * alexxed has quit ("Leaving.") Feb 18 14:24:29 <Sparks> Okay so what do we want to do? I guess we can tell wikibot to throw stuff in the archive: but we still are going to have to go through each page and clean it up Feb 18 14:25:41 <Sparks> Okay, not everyone at once. Feb 18 14:26:16 <Sparks> Who's available this weekend to work on wiki stuff? Feb 18 14:26:25 <danielsmw> I am! Feb 18 14:26:35 * jsmith can't, unfortunately Feb 18 14:26:37 <laubersm> If we archive, rename the rest and add the categories it will be easier to go through what is left and clean up Feb 18 14:26:49 <kirkz> I can help if I'd be useful Feb 18 14:26:49 <laubersm> I vote for using the psv as a guide and manually getting it done this weekend Feb 18 14:27:08 <laubersm> waiting on wikibot is driving me nuts Feb 18 14:27:15 <quaid> yes, adding categories is key Feb 18 14:27:18 <Sparks> Okay, let's get a party together starting Friday night and knock this stuff out. Feb 18 14:27:24 <jjmcd> Do we have some confidence that the first column is comprehensive? Feb 18 14:27:42 <Sparks> and when was that column generated? Feb 18 14:27:44 <quaid> make sure all understand the naming guidelines :) Feb 18 14:27:47 <ke4qqq> laubersm: even better: get the .psvs ready and then dole out sections of it - spread the love - that's accesibly to everyone Feb 18 14:28:07 <quaid> e.g. "Titles like this", don't make all initial caps, etc. Feb 18 14:28:08 <laubersm> ke4qqq : are you volunteering? Feb 18 14:28:23 <Sparks> who wants to volunteer to head up this project or do we want to nominate ianweller? Feb 18 14:28:31 * ke4qqq nominates ianweller Feb 18 14:28:37 <ke4qqq> laubersm: I'll be happy to help Feb 18 14:28:44 * laubersm thinks quaid should finish what he started Feb 18 14:29:04 <quaid> oh, what's that? Feb 18 14:29:07 * laubersm should have time to help this week Feb 18 14:29:41 <jjmcd> Can't the renaming be done in SQL? Feb 18 14:29:44 <laubersm> quaid: aren't you the one that put most of the suggestions into the psv file? Feb 18 14:30:03 <laubersm> docsproject.psv history blaims you Feb 18 14:30:12 <laubersm> blame Feb 18 14:31:10 <Sparks> okay Feb 18 14:31:23 <Sparks> I'll get with ianweller tonight and let's get this moving on Friday Feb 18 14:31:40 * jsmith is now known as jsmith-away Feb 18 14:31:48 <Sparks> Anything else? Feb 18 14:32:18 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - CMS Update Feb 18 14:32:24 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Where are we now? Feb 18 14:32:41 * SmootherFrOgZ (n=laxathom(a)69.6.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 18 14:32:48 <ke4qqq> well - honestly not much additional progress since last week Feb 18 14:32:54 * ke4qqq has been busy with $dayjob Feb 18 14:32:55 <ke4qqq> but Feb 18 14:33:15 <ke4qqq> jds2001, herlo and spot will be around to help get this pushed in this weekend. Feb 18 14:33:36 <ke4qqq> and at least two of the above know that I plan on getting the modules and core completely packaged this weekend Feb 18 14:33:49 <Sparks> excellent Feb 18 14:33:59 * Sparks understands about $DAYJOB Feb 18 14:34:13 <jjmcd> work is the curse of the drinking class Feb 18 14:34:18 <Sparks> Does anyone have any questions about the CMS? Feb 18 14:35:13 <quaid> laubersm: yeah, I take the blame for docsproject.psv Feb 18 14:35:58 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Release Notes Feb 18 14:36:13 <Sparks> jjmcd: How's it going? Feb 18 14:36:38 <jjmcd> some headway. Got a beat writer for haskell, ryan and i discussed some Feb 18 14:36:55 <jjmcd> changes to the organization which Ryan incorporated into the DocBook Feb 18 14:36:55 * quaid off the phone, sry Feb 18 14:37:17 <jjmcd> I am about 60% through writing a recruiting post Feb 18 14:37:35 <Sparks> Okay. Do you need anything from me? Are the release notes on schedule? Feb 18 14:37:35 <jjmcd> In fact, will shortly be looking for a proofreader or two Feb 18 14:37:46 <jjmcd> At this point I see no issue Feb 18 14:37:56 <Sparks> Okay Feb 18 14:38:16 <Sparks> Anyone have any questions? Feb 18 14:38:36 * mcepl (n=mcepl(a)49-117-207-85.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 18 14:38:45 <quaid> um Feb 18 14:38:52 <quaid> there was the one thing on list about process Feb 18 14:40:06 * Sparks hasn't had an opportunity to catch up on the list discussions Feb 18 14:40:09 <quaid> ok Feb 18 14:40:25 <quaid> the deal is, the process is unclear about how people are supposed to note things once Alpha is out Feb 18 14:40:28 <quaid> update the Alpha? Feb 18 14:40:36 <quaid> does that automagically fill the Beta? Feb 18 14:40:41 <quaid> write in to beats? Feb 18 14:40:46 <quaid> add it to common bugs? Feb 18 14:40:47 <quaid> etc. Feb 18 14:41:06 <quaid> so it seemed like a good time to fix those process notes and send the QA communities the word on what to do. Feb 18 14:41:25 <quaid> writing a new process page is an option, based on the above renaming plans Feb 18 14:41:55 <quaid> is that something ryanlerch and jjmcd can collaborate on soonish? Feb 18 14:41:57 <quaid> eof Feb 18 14:42:14 * mcepl (n=mcepl(a)49-117-207-85.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz) has left #fedora-meeting Feb 18 14:42:20 <jjmcd> Making notes in the beats talk would give the writers a heads up and wouldn't make the developers feel like they have to wordcreft Feb 18 14:42:31 <Sparks> Yeah, I think we should be looking at documenting the current process and then look at any way to improve that process. Feb 18 14:42:33 * warren (n=warren@redhat/wombat/warren) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 18 14:42:33 <jjmcd> wordcraft Feb 18 14:43:54 <quaid> I liked the other spelling, tho' Feb 18 14:43:55 * jjmcd will try to sync with RL Feb 18 14:44:24 <quaid> I know there are holes in y'all's understanding of the way things have been done, but a good first exercise Feb 18 14:44:38 <quaid> might be to just try to do it all from what you know, then let the old fogies make suggestions Feb 18 14:45:16 <jjmcd> Yeah, might not be a bad plan ... will need lots of pictures tho ... /me thinks better in pictures <g> Feb 18 14:45:20 * Sparks wonders if we have a wiki page that identifies old fogies Feb 18 14:45:36 <jjmcd> Plus the whole Six Sigma thing about making things visual/transparent Feb 18 14:46:02 <jjmcd> Prolly not too hard to recognize the gray haired types Feb 18 14:46:20 <laubersm> Sparks: this one does: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee Feb 18 14:47:09 <quaid> laubersm: nice! Feb 18 14:47:26 <ke4qqq> heh Feb 18 14:47:29 <quaid> Sparks: OT, but +1 to s/FDSCo/Docs Team/g Feb 18 14:47:50 <Sparks> quaid: Yeah, that's a definite need Feb 18 14:47:57 <Sparks> Okay. Feb 18 14:48:47 <Sparks> I wanted to talk with the release notes folks last weekend and unfortunately that didn't happen. Let's make that happen this week so we can exchange ideas in a less async environment. Feb 18 14:48:52 <Sparks> Anything else on this? Feb 18 14:49:02 * quaid done Feb 18 14:49:18 <Sparks> danielsmw: Did you want to talk about your guide? Feb 18 14:49:43 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on User Guide Feb 18 14:49:56 <danielsmw> yeah Feb 18 14:49:58 <danielsmw> just a bit Feb 18 14:50:02 <Sparks> go for it Feb 18 14:50:14 <danielsmw> I think I said most of what I wanted to say in that email, but in case anyone didn't see it: Feb 18 14:50:16 <Sparks> you'll wrap us up for the day Feb 18 14:50:18 * quaid +1 overall for danielsmw's on-list proposal of priorities Feb 18 14:50:31 <danielsmw> 1) Priorities for FAD Feb 18 14:50:59 <danielsmw> I think that there isn't a huge stress on content priority, but I suggest that we work on pages like accessing the internet and installing software before the others Feb 18 14:51:05 <danielsmw> since these are more fundamental Feb 18 14:51:20 <danielsmw> quaid: thanks Feb 18 14:51:29 <danielsmw> 2) Organizing for maintainability Feb 18 14:51:57 <danielsmw> I'd like to examine what tasks can be generalized without losing ease of understanding for a new user Feb 18 14:52:17 <danielsmw> and then generalize these tasks, making it more maintainable and giving us time to polish other things/add content Feb 18 14:52:24 <danielsmw> like... (this wasn't on the list) Feb 18 14:52:27 <danielsmw> 3) Advanced Sections Feb 18 14:52:55 <quaid> danielsmw: only thing I wanted to discuss was how we wanted to handle F9 and F10 content on the wiki concurrently Feb 18 14:52:56 <danielsmw> I think that while the user guide can be a newbie-friendly thing for the docs team, it doesn't need to leave out slightly more advanced users Feb 18 14:53:22 <quaid> but 2) reminds me we want to discuss a common 'sudo' doc again v. su -c '' everywhere Feb 18 14:53:27 <danielsmw> There are plenty of things that can be written for the more advanced user - setting up irssi, for example - Feb 18 14:53:39 <danielsmw> That we can put in there. We just need to denote that it's for advanced users Feb 18 14:53:58 <danielsmw> quaid: go ahead, if you want to discuss that Feb 18 14:54:01 <danielsmw> I'm done, I think Feb 18 14:54:10 <laubersm> where should I be updating with F10 info? Feb 18 14:54:15 * laubersm may have missed that Feb 18 14:54:22 <danielsmw> Oh, right Feb 18 14:54:25 <danielsmw> I suppose Feb 18 14:54:28 <laubersm> or putting new F10 pages? Feb 18 14:54:30 <danielsmw> That's a worthy thing to address Feb 18 14:54:49 <danielsmw> For the little F10 editing that's been done, we've done it in our userspace Feb 18 14:54:53 <danielsmw> but we need a better place very soon Feb 18 14:55:00 <quaid> I'd rather settle that now, fwiw :) Feb 18 14:55:08 <laubersm> wiki or XML (git)? Feb 18 14:55:10 <danielsmw> Agreed Feb 18 14:55:10 <quaid> we could do what we did for F8 with the F9 content Feb 18 14:55:26 <quaid> but then we want to move it to Archive: when it's converted or we risk confusing ppl Feb 18 14:55:35 <danielsmw> Well, what if we just set aside the mediawiki source Feb 18 14:55:37 <danielsmw> for conversion to xml Feb 18 14:55:43 <danielsmw> at a later date? Feb 18 14:55:52 <quaid> ah, then finish F9 via XML? Feb 18 14:55:57 <quaid> we could do the raw conversion in a few minutes Feb 18 14:56:01 <quaid> and check it in to git for fixing later. Feb 18 14:56:07 <danielsmw> Right. I mean, the only stuff left is KDE Feb 18 14:56:12 <quaid> call it branched-to-XML at that point. Feb 18 14:56:13 <danielsmw> (i still need to go to fedora-kde) Feb 18 14:56:25 <quaid> hmm, yeah, and that could be written anywhere and exported later, it's true Feb 18 14:56:36 * quaid ponders ... that would save needless renaming, etc. Feb 18 14:56:45 * danielsmw concurs Feb 18 14:56:50 <quaid> danielsmw: m'man, I like that! Feb 18 14:57:00 <Sparks> THREE MINUTE WARNING Feb 18 14:57:11 <quaid> then if I get more time I can also help with the XML conversion as it sits in git Feb 18 14:57:23 * jjmcd notes that Sparks checked WWV Feb 18 14:57:24 <danielsmw> quaid: that'd be great, because I need to learn that Feb 18 14:57:30 <quaid> that will move F9 UG significantly, and give us room to move on F10 Feb 18 14:57:41 <danielsmw> yup yup. Feb 18 14:57:44 <danielsmw> Sounds like a plan then. Feb 18 14:57:52 <quaid> danielsmw: cool, nothing like watching and doing in real time to learn; you'll see from the git commits what I change, etc. Feb 18 14:57:56 <quaid> right o Feb 18 14:57:58 <Sparks> jjmcd: Every new raday Feb 18 14:58:22 <danielsmw> any comments on the aforementioned advanced sections before I let sparks take away the meeting? Feb 18 14:58:57 <danielsmw> It's something I thought of when kirkz started doing the clawsmail stuff Feb 18 14:59:00 <laubersm> I have no problems with some more advanced content - but lets get the current topics moving first? Feb 18 14:59:06 <danielsmw> oh, agreed., Feb 18 14:59:12 <danielsmw> that would all be secondary. Feb 18 14:59:19 <danielsmw> okay, well, that's all from me. Feb 18 14:59:27 <laubersm> great - add them to a list and I'll help a little bit Feb 18 14:59:30 <Sparks> Anything else??? Feb 18 14:59:37 <quaid> </> Feb 18 14:59:46 * danielsmw thinks Sparks is pretty violent with his capitalization and punctuation Feb 18 14:59:50 <Sparks> 5 Feb 18 14:59:51 <Sparks> 4 Feb 18 14:59:53 <Sparks> 3 Feb 18 14:59:53 * MostafaDaneshvar (n=MostafaD@unaffiliated/mostafadaneshvar) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 18 14:59:54 <Sparks> 2 Feb 18 14:59:56 <Sparks> 1 Feb 18 15:00:00 <Sparks> Thanks everyone for coming! Feb 18 15:00:00 <Sparks> </meeting>

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Reminder to Sparks: Meeting
by John J. McDonough 18 Feb '09

18 Feb '09

And everyone else, too. Docs project meeting at 1900Z --McD

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Remote FAD'ing
by Karsten Wade 18 Feb '09

18 Feb '09

Our goal this coming Friday is to be connected to a Fedora Talk conference room throughout the Activity Day. In addition to IRC, this will facilitate communication with people involved in the User Guide, font packaging, or OLPC/Sugar related to the activity day goals. sip:2008@talk.fedoraproject.org You can set your VoIP password via your Fedora account, and read up on the talk service: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/asterisk/ http://talk.fedoraproject.org/ For example, if you cannot get a softphone or hardphone VoIP client to work, you can use a dial-in number instead. According to the schedule[1], we'll work to keep a conference line open during these times PST (UTC): 10 am (1800 UTC) to 6 pm (0200 UTC) There is a lunch in there, but ideally we'll be ordering take-out. There is a dinner on the schedule, but we also have BoF in the same room starting at 7 pm PST, so it's probable that dinner will also be a take out affair or conducted late (after 8 pm.) Talk with you then, - Karsten [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_at_SCaLE_7x#Schedule -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41

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Formatting Question for Lists
by Kirk 18 Feb '09

18 Feb '09

Hi All, I've got number 1. for the first subsection, and the indents are good too. But the second subsection starts over again with number 1., then 2, then 3. The subsection numbers were fine ( 1 - 4 ) until I added the indents. Maybe I'm trying to mix apples & oranges? # The first subsection allows quick access to commonly accessed folders, and makes it easy to keep your file system organized. These links are: :::* ''Home Folder'' where your personal files are kept by default. :::* ''Desktop'' which is the main work area on your computer. :::* ''Bookmarks'' list several of the last folders opened. # The second subsection allows quick access to the CD/DVD creator tool, and ............................................................ # The third subsection......................................... Thanks, Kirk Z

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Question on Hx
by Kirk 18 Feb '09

18 Feb '09

What's Hx & non_Hx content? Thanks for the help. Kirk Ziegler

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User Guide Priorities for FAD
by Matthew Daniels 17 Feb '09

17 Feb '09

At the FAD this Friday, a group will be working on editing the User Guide. This is a great opportunity to get a lot done for the UG, so it's important that we outline some priorities on what needs to be done. Currently, the F9 guide is virtually done and we've starting working on the F10 version. You may have seen Kirk's work on the Communication page which is the beginning of our F10 update. This Friday, then, all UG work will basically be for the F10 guide unless someone sees a good reason why that wouldn't make sense. (*) One big move I'd think would be good for the F10 guide is to start cleaning up pages so that procedures are standardized. This would mean, for example, having one very good description about how to install a package that can be referenced for every installation instruction instead of having 12 different versions of this description which are difficult to maintain. Increasing the maintainability of the guide will mean that we have more time to work on expanding content and cleaning up style, which is a compromise I'm willing to make for the loss of some inline convenience. The priorities for this Friday, then, can be split into categories. I really don't see any clear priorities for content; I would suggest avoiding the Introduction, perhaps, but besides that all content has a pretty equivalent need to be written. It may be wise to do the more fundamental pages first; for example, writing the desktop tours, the installing software page, and connecting to the internet would give a better foundation for writing other pages. Separately, the style of our pages can be userfriendlified. Grammar, fact, and typo checks are easy, but it would be good to have some people go through and look for bias, unqualified jargon, and unnecessary presumptions to be cleaned up. We can also have people brainstorming and drawing out how we can work out what I mentioned in the starred paragraph above. Finally, if we have more experienced contributers there, the F9 can be XML-ified. This has been done partially, but I don't think it's been finished. Please, fellow Fedorans, give me feedback! -Matthew -- _____________________________ Reply To: danielsmw(a)gmail.com

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Need help proofing
by Kirk 17 Feb '09

17 Feb '09

I think I've finished the F10 User Guide Communications page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kirk202/User_Guide_-_Communications I'd appreciate any proofing you can do, when you can. I've read and re-read it so many times I don't think I could see any mistakes, no matter how glaring. Your critiques and suggestions are also welcome. Thanks, Kirk Ziegler

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Docs meeting 2009-02-11 Summary
by Karsten Wade 17 Feb '09

17 Feb '09

Attendees ========= Eric Christensen (Sparks) Paul W. Frields (Stickster) David Nalley (ke4qqq) Kirk Ziegler (kirkz) John J. McDonough (jjmcd) Karsten Wade (quaid) Simon Birtwistle (itbegins) Matthew Daniels (danielsmw*) Agenda & IRC Log ================ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Docs_IRC_log_20090211 Summmary ======== * Schedule as set by John Poelstra http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-docs-tasks.html * Approved by everyone, that's what we're using * CMS Update * ke4qqq working on packaging, worried about 10+ modules that need packaging * Reviewing help may be needed * Test sites are at: http://fedora.zikula.org http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org * Site will need some Websites/CSS help * Release notes * ACTION: jjmcd projects next week for an update to F10 notes * ryanlerch has been making regular updates of F11 notes in DocBook XML http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/Release_Notes/ * ACTION: Sparks requesting voice meeting on talk.fedoraproject.org with jjmcd, ryanlerch, quaid, any other interested * More (much more?!?) work required to get more(!) beat writers * ACTION: Pump up the volume (make more noise) * Installation Guide * Rudi added to IG team, with lcafiero as editor, and herlo working on missing network auth section. * ACTION: ke4qqq looking for more new writers to join * quaid available for any back fill * Security Guide * Scott et al in Brisbane validating documentation * Waiting on Publican fix(es) to get valid RPM https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=476471 * We'd like to see Publican useable for Fedora documentation packaging without any munging/hacking/sleight of hand. * ACTION: quaid to work on the Fedora v. RHEL packaging standards question -- are they equivalent or approximate. * SELinux Guide * No status, mdious not present (sleepy time in Brisbane) * Status sounds good from what people present have heard * User Guide * Part of Fedora Activity Day at SCaLE 7x https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_at_SCaLE_7x#Documentation * Plan to push the Fedora 9 U_G as-is without writing changes and minus some KDE and XFCE content * ACTION: danielsmw to look on #fedora-kde etc. for KDE help for the U_G * FAD to focus on catching up to F10 * ACTION: Priority for content before FAD -- danielsmw * ACTION: Choose a process to work the content -- danielsmw, quaid * Meeting time change * Still looking for a new time, fill out your slot by Wed. 18 Feb: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FDSCo_meeting_matrix * Sparks proposes renaming FDSCo to 'Docs Team' * Page renaming may occur by hand if we cannot get wikibot working on it by Friday 13 Feb. * Use docsproject.psv to guide * Worth the pain to show how it should be -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41

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