Updated release notes for Fedora 7
by Rahul Sundaram
Hi
There has been a number of important changes to the release notes made
after the translation freeze for various reasons and we need to make
sure we push an update.
My suggestion would be to
* Confirm that a note is there pointing to the updated web version
from the one in the ISO image.
* Update the web content to highlight the updated release notes a week
before the Fedora 7 release so that we can refer to it elsewhere and
during launch time
* Provide a zero day update to the release notes package
Comments?
Rahul
16 years, 11 months
FDSCo Meeting 2006-05-06 Summary
by Karsten Wade
(Pardon the double sending of this message; I forgot to change the
Subject, and to proof read Bart's last name :)
Attendees:
-----------
Dimitris Glezos (glezos)
Paul W. Frields (stickster)
Bart Couvreur (couf)
Karsten Wade (quaid)
Jonathan Roberts (jonrob)
Summary:
---------
* stickster to email f-trans-l with a reminder about the 10 May deadline
for translations for F7 to languages groups that have incomplete
translations of the release notes
* couf - coordinate with L10n leaders via f-trans-l to create one
f-trans-announce that has *all* sub-lang project lists subscribed
* glezos - forwarding deadline reminder to -trans-de, maybe others
* stickster - coordinate fedora-release-notes package drop details with
f13
* stickster - Installation Guide complete within 72 hours
* quaid - consolidate all tasks to DocsProject/Tasks, then highlight the
"good for new contributors" tasks at the top; include mentors for tasks,
where possible
* couf is working on a wiki2xml and "publishing to current PHP-based
docs.fp.o"
* Four guides for F7 release are: Installation, Users, Administration,
Software Management; quaid to put these guides on the task list
* FDP to look at what content to gather and work on *between* releases,
such as gathering content from compatible community sources
16 years, 11 months
FDSCo Meeting YYYY-MM-DD Summary
by Karsten Wade
Attendees:
-----------
Dimitris Glezos (glezos)
Paul W. Frields (stickster)
Bart Couvrier (couf)
Karsten Wade (quaid)
Jonathan Roberts (jonrob)
Summary:
---------
* stickster to email f-trans-l with a reminder about the 10 May deadline
for translations for F7 to languages groups that have incomplete
translations of the release notes
* couf - coordinate with L10n leaders via f-trans-l to create one
f-trans-announce that has *all* sub-lang project lists subscribed
* glezos - forwarding deadline reminder to -trans-de, maybe others
* stickster - coordinate fedora-release-notes package drop details with
f13
* stickster - Installation Guide complete within 72 hours
* quaid - consolidate all tasks to DocsProject/Tasks, then highlight the
"good for new contributors" tasks at the top; include mentors for tasks,
where possible
* couf is working on a wiki2xml and "publishing to current PHP-based
docs.fp.o"
* Four guides for F7 release are: Installation, Users, Administration,
Software Management; quaid to put these guides on the task list
* FDP to look at what content to gather and work on *between* releases,
such as gathering content from compatible community sources
16 years, 11 months
Join page
by Jonathan Roberts
Evening all,
I was just looking at the DocsProject/Join page and was wondering if
anyone had ever considered condensing it? There's a huge amount of
information on there and I just thought it might make it less
overwhelming for people looking to get involved if we had a really
simple Join page which linked of to the other bits of information.
Some sections have very similar content too, like the "Signing up" and
"Checklist" sections. Thought it was appropriate to the recent
conversations about recruiting and retaining.
Just a crazy thought anyway...
Hope everyone is well!
Jon
16 years, 11 months
FDSCo Meeting 2007-05-06 IRC log
by Karsten Wade
The raw text is below, and attached is a nice output from irclog2html.py :)
09:06 < stickster> :-)
09:06 < quaid> there :)
09:07 < stickster> Relnotes translation status is documented on wiki at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Translation/Statistics
09:07 < couf> hah :)
09:07 < stickster> Making great progress in smaller modules. Release notes module, less so.
09:07 < stickster> There are several locales for relnotes done, though -- notably es, pt, pt_BR and sr if memory serves
09:07 < stickster> I think el and zh_CN are either done or almost done too
09:07 < quaid> should we drop an email to the in-danger languages? is that easily done?
09:08 < stickster> I don't have membership on the per-lang lists, but I can certainly send an email to f-trans-l with a summary
09:09 < couf> <dreaming>1 e-mailadress to all lang-lists</dreaming>
09:09 * stickster shakes couf awake
09:09 < glezos> Here are some key people for languages: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams
09:10 * couf thanks stickster
09:12 * glezos will send an email to -trans-de (german) 'cause they seem a bit inactive
09:12 < stickster> glezos: You may be able to just forward my email -- going to f-trans-l in a minute or two
09:12 < glezos> ok
09:14 < quaid> well ... anything else to do there?
09:14 < quaid> when do we have to drop the package to RelEng
09:15 < stickster> Around the 10th AIUI
09:15 < stickster> I will certainly coordinate with Jesse since I'll see him in DS
09:15 < stickster> *SD
09:15 < quaid> ok
09:15 < stickster> It's possible there could be a day or two of slide time given the Summit
09:15 < glezos> stickster: please remember to remind the (new) deadline for translations in your mail
09:16 < stickster> Yup, doing so -- sent it before, sending it again
09:17 < stickster> OK, off
09:18 < stickster> IG status: doing some heavy refactoring today, hope to have the whole thing ready in ~48 hours
09:18 -!- aalamS [n=aalam(a)59.94.178.183] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
09:18 < quaid> quick side question ...
09:18 < quaid> are we Ok with the idea of merging all project tasks into DP/Tasks?
09:19 < quaid> it's "different" from other projects; we adoped the TaskSchedule from e.g. FESCo, and I sort of hate it :)
09:19 * stickster gives +1, we need to simplify... and I hate it too :-)
09:19 < quaid> ok
09:19 * quaid works on that in the background, so he can get a list of "Guides for F7" on Tasks
09:20 < glezos> +1 here
09:21 < couf> +1 here aswell
09:22 < jmbuser> simplifying is good
09:23 < stickster> BTW, thanks to the folks cleaning up our project page. Much easier to read and navigate now!
09:23 < jmbuser> JonRob deserves a round of applause
09:23 < couf> +1, thanks JonRob
09:23 < JonRob> jmbuser: you'll make me blush
09:24 < JonRob> glad you'll like it tho :D
09:25 < glezos> :)
09:25 * quaid does a golf clap
09:25 < quaid> jmbuser: tell us about CompleteReference
09:26 < glezos> this is a great example on how a new member could do something really useful for a project
09:26 < quaid> fresh perspective + enthusiasm == life blood :)
09:27 < JonRob> the DP/Tasks page would be a good addition to the join page
09:27 < JonRob> help other newbies get involved
09:27 < quaid> yes!
09:27 < quaid> that is exacly the reason, to get all the real tasks in one place, organizes by difficulty, etc.
09:28 < JonRob> yeah
09:28 < JonRob> cool :D
09:28 < couf> indeed, keep it simple and people will want to jump in
09:29 < glezos> a list with simple, hands-on tasks each one having a mentor is a great way to encourage new members to get their hands dirty and have fun
09:29 < quaid> right ... instead of jamming all on that page, if a sub-project (e.g. release notes) needs lots of tasks, then we can just reference a sub-page (DP/Tasks/ReleaseNotes)
09:30 < JonRob> quaid: take away from the fear of random wiki edits!
09:30 < JonRob> (probably just me on that one :D)
09:31 < jmbuser> jmbuser: random wiki-editing is fun
09:31 * jmbuser talks to himself
09:32 < JonRob> lol
09:32 < couf> jmbuser: you seem to like doing that :-)
09:32 < jmbuser> couf: only lately :-)
09:32 * quaid wonders what happened to the Wiki patch that kept the table from floating under the darn right nav
09:32 < couf> well then an FYI: I'm working on to small FDP-howto's (wiki-2-xml and publishing to docs.fp.org)
09:32 < quaid> cool
09:33 < quaid> although on the later ...
09:33 < quaid> latter
09:33 < quaid> that exists, doesn't it?
09:33 < couf> yeah, but more refining it
09:33 < quaid> ok
09:33 < quaid> don't kill yourself on it, since we are sunsetting that method
09:33 * quaid didn't want to say "killing"
09:33 < couf> i've got some .conf-file around, making it just copy-paste -> restarting apache
09:34 < couf> quaid: gotcha
09:34 < stickster> couf: There is part of the publishing to docs.fp.org in the /cvs/fedora branch README
09:34 < stickster> couf: You may be able to leapfrog using that
09:34 < couf> stickster: thanks, didn't see that file
09:34 < stickster> under config/HOWTO*
09:36 < couf> well it's just mentioning a sort of differnet approach (alternative method), for people already running a site
09:36 < stickster> couf: cool
09:37 < couf> okay, should we move on?
09:38 < jmbuser> +1
09:38 < stickster> =1
09:38 < stickster> +1, sorry
09:39 < couf> we've had the IG, so that makes: admin guide and/or FUG
09:39 < quaid> so for the other guides
09:39 < quaid> I don't see us having them ready w/ translations by F7
09:39 < quaid> ready, yes; l10n, no
09:39 < quaid> which is not optimal, but its ok
09:40 < jmbuser> quaid: I have to agree with the FUG not being ready for translation
09:40 < quaid> so the list of target guides is: Installation, Administration, (New) Users ...
09:40 < quaid> Yum ...
09:40 < quaid> (Software Management)
09:40 < quaid> anything else?
09:41 < couf> guess not, we shouldn't go too far with this
09:41 < couf> having 4 guides ready will be nice
09:42 < quaid> yes, we can look at producing more between releases
09:42 < quaid> I see two general classes of guides
09:42 < quaid> one is essential to have with a new release
09:42 < quaid> those help you install, use, and administrate the system
09:42 < quaid> the other kind are more bonus, and go into different areas people care about
09:42 < quaid> some of those other kind may end up getting pulled later into e.g. Administrationg guide
09:43 < quaid> those are the "how to run your own repo" and etc. types
09:44 < JonRob> has the docs project ever considered trying to establish a set of less formal guides, to compliment the formal ones?
09:44 < quaid> how do you mean less-formal?
09:45 < quaid> wiki-based or?
09:45 < JonRob> quaid: good question, there's loads of info spread around fedora forums etc that are useful (and that don't have legal/patent issues)
09:45 < JonRob> but they're so scattered
09:45 < quaid> right
09:46 < JonRob> might be nice to have something that makes those easier to find
09:46 < JonRob> not same quality
09:46 < JonRob> but useful none the less
09:46 < quaid> well, all the fedoraunity sites are under the OPL, so that is one souce
09:46 -!- Netsplit pratchett.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mether, stickster, tsAWAY, vpv, jmbuser, couf
09:46 < quaid> once we have document publishing out of the Wiki, we can turn the Wiki into 100% community collaborate documentation
09:46 < quaid> whoops
09:46 < quaid> hold on until the net desplits
09:46 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jmbuser
09:46 -!- mether [i=ask@fedora/mether] has joined #fedora-docs
09:46 -!- Netsplit over, joins: stickster, couf, vpv, tsAWAY
09:47 < JonRob> sure
09:47 < JonRob> what was that?
09:47 < jmbuser> stickster: What happened?
09:48 < stickster> wacky
09:48 < quaid> netsplit
09:48 < quaid> we waited for you :)
09:48 < quaid> only thing I said was ...
09:48 < quaid> once we have document publishing out of the Wiki, we can turn the Wiki into 100% community collaborate documentation
09:48 < stickster> roger that
09:49 < quaid> JonRob: netsplit is when the servers we are chatting on drop their connection; we are all connected to a random IRC server that is all part of an IRC network, and sometimes a server splits off, then comes back
09:49 < quaid> (e.g. those guys were all on pratchett.freenode.net)
09:49 < JonRob> quaid: thanks :D
09:49 < glezos> Ideally we'll be able to fix the defragmentation of our docs and get them all in a "bigger picture" thing.. although low-level they will be modular.
09:49 < glezos> with the publication from the wiki we might be able to get this "right".
09:50 < jmbuser> +1
09:50 < quaid> yep
09:50 < quaid> it's going to be quite a productive summer with the two GSoC projects solving long standing problems :)
09:51 < jmbuser> yes!
09:52 < couf> will be great :)
09:52 < JonRob> is there anywhere with details on these longstanding problems?!
09:52 < stickster> let's hope so!
09:52 < stickster> oops, I meant that as a response to quaid
09:52 < JonRob> lol
09:53 < jmbuser> JonRob: May I humbly recommend http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlowIdeas ?
09:53 * jmbuser shamelessly plugs his doc
09:53 < JonRob> jmbuser: thanks
09:56 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Plone#head-bd3aef95681e959064f7...
09:56 < quaid> that's a good summary of one of the problems/solutions
09:57 < jmbuser> quaid: agreed
09:58 < JonRob> sounds like it will be useful once plone arrives!
10:00 * quaid sits down with some breakfast
10:00 < quaid> one of those days where the effort to make coffee is too much
10:00 < quaid> ok, what else ...
10:00 * stickster buried in PXE server provisioning
10:01 < quaid> whee!
10:02 < quaid> so, I'm going to get the Tasks page updated ....
10:02 < quaid> and I'll get the list-o-Guides up there as tasks
10:03 < quaid> anything else of the "other business" sort?
10:04 < couf> don't think so
10:04 < quaid> ok, then ...
10:04 * quaid does the final thirty second count down
10:04 < stickster> nope, nada here
10:05 < quaid> thanks for attending all
10:05 < jmbuser> quaid: Thanks
10:05 < JonRob> cheers all
10:05 < quaid> ... and thanks to our families and friends who put up with us giggling at IRC jokes in the middle of a Sunday :)
10:05 < quaid> 5
10:05 < quaid> 4
10:05 < quaid> 3
10:05 < quaid> 2
10:05 * quaid looks at stickster for the final joke
10:05 < quaid> 1
10:05 < quaid> </meeting>
16 years, 11 months
[Fwd: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "Docs/Beats/Kernel" by RahulSundaram]
by Karsten Wade
Comments inline below ('twixt <Karsten/> tags) ...
-------- Forwarded Message --------
From: fedorawiki-noreply(a)fedoraproject.org
To: fedorawiki-noreply(a)fedoraproject.org
Subject: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "Docs/Beats/Kernel" by
RahulSundaram
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 19:27:34 -0000
Dear Wiki user,
You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Fedora Project Wiki" for change notification.
The following page has been changed by RahulSundaram:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Kernel?action=diff&rev2=105&rev1...
The comment on the change is:
I think this fits here better
<Karsten>
I considered putting it here, but then I thought, "Where would someone
who is wondering about support for a sound card look: Multimedia or
Kernel?" Now, we who know Linux know that a sound card requires a
kernel module, etc. But is that how an ISA sound card user is going to
think about it? To be honest, I actually expect most folks would look
for "Is my sound card supported?" under something such as "hardware",
"sound cards", or "multimedia".
What do the rest of you think?
</Karsten>
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16 years, 11 months
[Fwd: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "Docs/Beats/PackageNotes" by PaulFrields]
by Karsten Wade
-------- Forwarded Message --------
> The comment on the change is:
> Z/P note for F7. Sure wish someone would have got this on the Beats for the ISO spins.
+1
To mitigate such damage, I had an idea. Let's insert at the top of each
XML file a link to the latest release notes.
We could even just copy/paste the already translated admonition that is
at the top of Welcome.xml:
Latest Release Notes on the Web
These release notes may be updated. Visit
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/
to view the latest release notes for Fedora.
That way we can do it after we get all the PO files back and before we hand off to releng.
- Karsten, applying bandages as solutions
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16 years, 11 months
README-BURNING-ISOS
by Paul W. Frields
We have a neat Making Fedora Discs guide, but it needs some extra love
before the release. When I started worrying about how to update this
document so late, and yet have it make the release, I realized I was
thinking about it all wrong:
1. Including the document in the fedora-release-notes is relatively
worthless; once you have a system installed, you've either burned the
discs already, or didn't need to.
2. Putting the files on the ISO images is similarly worthless.
I was thinking the following idea is much more logical:
1. Torrents and mirrors should carry a single tiny ASCII file,
README-Making-Discs, which will be a one-sentence link to
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/readme-burning-isos/ -- that URL carries
the full document in all its newfound glory.
2. Revising the existing R-B-I document is not a big job and will only
take about an hour -- but it will produce a lot of fuzzy strings for
translators. However, they'll have several weeks to fix the PO files,
because the real document can be published on the fly, as late as the
day before the release (and errata issued just like any other doc).
Comments?
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16 years, 12 months