On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Zacharias Mitzelos <mitzie(a)mitzelos.com>
wrote:
We have been doing this for years and there were never any problems.
How do you know that? Trust me when I say that people would rather not
speak up, not contribute, and not even ask for not sharing a room if they
have a good personal problem.
On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Amita Sharma <amsharma(a)redhat.com> wrote:
I also know that the money is a limited resource we have and we have
to
use it wisely.
Yes, we have to use it wisely, but this problem is not about money, I know
very well what kind of budgets flow through Fedora and RedHat. Comparably
the 70$ difference on a solo room instead of a shared one is irrelevant.
It's irrelevant whether it's 500$ for the contributor which we happily
approve, or 570$ with a single room.
One solution to this which I can think of as of now is - Just
calculate
the per person budget for accommodation on sharing basis
Yes, a solution that is not communicated and the whole communication is
"you have to share a room." Main problem here - discouraging contribution
with mere words.
Radka
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.NET & OpenShift Engineer, Red Hat
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On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Amita Sharma <amsharma(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> When I acknowledge the issue here, at the same time I also know that the
> money is a limited resource we have and we have to use it wisely.
One solution to this which I can think of as of now is - Just
calculate
> the per person budget for accommodation on sharing basis and one
should be
> able to find a single room within the same budget (may be not at the same
> place though).
> I also believe that everything has its own pros and cons. When you stay
> together with other people and in company, it is always more secure/safe
> and more time to socialize and you are free to choose with whom you want to
> stay (considering other person is also agreed). I also believe that,
> conferences are time bounded (maximum of 2-4 days), where we can adjust
> things and help Fedora to use money wisely in stuff where it is required
> the most.
>
> HTH :)
>
> Regards,
> Amita
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Radka Janekova <radka.janek(a)redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We've been discussing this as one of the problems of inclusion with some
>> of the Diversity (+cc) members, basically the problem is that we can not
>> assume ones orientation and how comfortable they are running around almost
>> naked around what kind of strangers. We can not even ask for an explanation
>> because that already invites a situation where someone will rather run away
>> than having to explain something so deeply personal. Whatever the reasons
>> are, if one is not okay with room sharing, they should still be able to
>> contribute.
>>
>> Anyone got anything to add to the problem? Should we discuss this problem
>> in a meeting or a ticket?
>>
>>
>> Radka
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *Radka Janeková*
>> .NET & OpenShift Engineer, Red Hat
>> *radka.janek(a)redhat.com <radka.janek(a)redhat.com>*
>> IRC: radka | Freenode: Rhea
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Zacharias Mitzelos <mitzie(a)mitzelos.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017, at 11:41, Radka Janekova wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> yes I do - I am not entirely comfortable with room sharing though.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> From the looks of it there are 4 women asking for accommodation
>>> (including you), so there won't be a free room (if you were 5 for
example
>>> so you could be on your own). That's actually how it works in
conferences
>>> like these, sorry but I can't do something about it. You are free to
choose
>>> your roommate, but we simply can't afford every subsidized participant
to
>>> book his own room.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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