What about offering liveusb-creator at the first place instead of ISO? Actually, this might be a great idea. Not "instead", but if we provided two buttons instead of one:
[Download DVD image] [Download USB installer]
people would immediately saw the difference. If they were after USB installation media, they wouldn't download a DVD image and then wonder what to do with it (as they do now), no, they would immediately click the second button. Our USB installer is already capable of both reusing an existing image and downloading a fresh one, so this goes well hand in hand. And the page serving you the file could be tailored to the particular method, so DVD download would show you basic DVD burning instructions, while USB installer download would show you basic USB conversion instructions.
Mairin, I guess you're the best person to talk about fp.o design, what do you think? (Please read the start of this thread). Thanks.
Resent after being rejected by list as not suscribed -since corrected
Previous post: "A problem is that the .iso versions offered for download in the liveusb-creator GUI always seem to lag behind."
more testing:
I just tested on Yoga Pro 2 running native resolution and Widows 8.1 OS and the liveusb-creator is postage stamp size on the screen. It needs to be run in compatability mode as an administrator to work. Most of the functions appear to work but using the update button I got Soas f17 x86_64 and did not download in the 25 minutes I tested it. I tested on a second USB that was written previously with fedora live with dd. It was not writable. the terminal command liveusb-creator --reset-mbr did not run in Windows terminal.(It worked in linux gparted with create new partition table and format fat32 label LIVE boot flag.) I could then use the windows 8.1 liveusb-creator to write an existing soas.iso downloaded earlier in windows firefox.
In short there are a number of things that need to fixed in the windows version of liveusb.creator before offering it on the fedora download options. 1-) detect screen resolution and properly display GUI 2-) run in compatability mode (run as administrator) 3-) run as liveusb-creator --reset-mbr by default (this can be done in linux by editing the icon command) 4-)Fix the Download button on the GUI to work and be up to date.
On Fri, 2014-08-01 at 12:06 -0700, Thomas C.Gilliard wrote:
Previous post: "A problem is that the .iso versions offered for download in the liveusb-creator GUI always seem to lag behind."
So a technical note on this one: luc can actually retrieve an up to date list of ISOs from the mirror server, but it doesn't do so when you start it. You have to click the Refresh button next to the image list (which it initially populates from a hardcoded fallback list inside luc). I tried to fix this and failed, so I filed a bug instead:
https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ticket/819
but lmacken obviously hasn't been able to get to it yet.
more testing:
I just tested on Yoga Pro 2 running native resolution and Widows 8.1 OS and the liveusb-creator is postage stamp size on the screen.
Obviously an interface scaling issue; I don't know the details of what an app has to do in order for Windows to automatically scale it up on hidpi displays, though.
1-) detect screen resolution and properly display GUI 2-) run in compatability mode (run as administrator) 3-) run as liveusb-creator --reset-mbr by default (this can be done in linux by editing the icon command) 4-)Fix the Download button on the GUI to work and be up to date.
yeah, these are the kinds of reasons I'm reluctant to promote luc too strongly.
On 8/1/2014 12:45 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2014-08-01 at 12:06 -0700, Thomas C.Gilliard wrote:
Previous post: "A problem is that the .iso versions offered for download in the liveusb-creator GUI always seem to lag behind."
So a technical note on this one: luc can actually retrieve an up to date list of ISOs from the mirror server, but it doesn't do so when you start it. You have to click the Refresh button next to the image list (which it initially populates from a hardcoded fallback list inside luc). I tried to fix this and failed, so I filed a bug instead:
https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ticket/819
but lmacken obviously hasn't been able to get to it yet.
It did not work for me in M$ 8.1 tried repeatedly to update list. So not yet fixed.
more testing:
I just tested on Yoga Pro 2 running native resolution and Widows 8.1 OS and the liveusb-creator is postage stamp size on the screen.
Obviously an interface scaling issue; I don't know the details of what an app has to do in order for Windows to automatically scale it up on hidpi displays, though.
1-) detect screen resolution and properly display GUI 2-) run in compatability mode (run as administrator) 3-) run as liveusb-creator --reset-mbr by default (this can be done in linux by editing the icon command) 4-)Fix the Download button on the GUI to work and be up to date.
yeah, these are the kinds of reasons I'm reluctant to promote luc too strongly.
The Sugar on a Stick spin obviously requires a user friendly way to create a persistent USB for booting.
This works to make a persistent USB in Fedora [1]
Desktop$ sudo ./tools_livecd-iso-to-disk.sh --reset-mbr --overlay-size-mb 500 --home-size-mb 700 --delete-home --unencrypted-home Fedora-17-Beta-x86_64-Live-SoaS.iso /dev/sdb1
and if --efi is added it should boot on EFI systems (not tested recently)
Desktop$ ./tools_livecd-iso-to-disk.sh --format --efi --overlay-size-mb 300 --home-size-mb 175 --delete-home --unencrypted-home Fedora-17-Beta-x86_64-Live-SoaS.iso /dev/sdb1
[1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Testing/Reports/livecd-iso-to-disk
People,
On 2014-08-02 05:06, Thomas C.Gilliard wrote:
What about offering liveusb-creator at the first place instead of ISO? Actually, this might be a great idea. Not "instead", but if we provided two buttons instead of one:
[Download DVD image] [Download USB installer]
people would immediately saw the difference. If they were after USB installation media, they wouldn't download a DVD image and then wonder what to do with it (as they do now), no, they would immediately click the second button. Our USB installer is already capable of both reusing an existing image and downloading a fresh one, so this goes well hand in hand. And the page serving you the file could be tailored to the particular method, so DVD download would show you basic DVD burning instructions, while USB installer download would show you basic USB conversion instructions.
Mairin, I guess you're the best person to talk about fp.o design, what do you think? (Please read the start of this thread). Thanks.
Resent after being rejected by list as not suscribed -since corrected
Previous post: "A problem is that the .iso versions offered for download in the liveusb-creator GUI always seem to lag behind."
more testing:
I just tested on Yoga Pro 2 running native resolution and Widows 8.1 OS and the liveusb-creator is postage stamp size on the screen. It needs to be run in compatability mode as an administrator to work. Most of the functions appear to work but using the update button I got Soas f17 x86_64 and did not download in the 25 minutes I tested it. I tested on a second USB that was written previously with fedora live with dd. It was not writable. the terminal command liveusb-creator --reset-mbr did not run in Windows terminal.(It worked in linux gparted with create new partition table and format fat32 label LIVE boot flag.) I could then use the windows 8.1 liveusb-creator to write an existing soas.iso downloaded earlier in windows firefox.
In short there are a number of things that need to fixed in the windows version of liveusb.creator before offering it on the fedora download options. 1-) detect screen resolution and properly display GUI 2-) run in compatability mode (run as administrator) 3-) run as liveusb-creator --reset-mbr by default (this can be done in linux by editing the icon command) 4-)Fix the Download button on the GUI to work and be up to date.
If we are not talking about trying to be compatible with a third party script / app, why don't we just produce a script / batch file that downloads the ISO and uses a bundled dd to put it on the USB?
Regards,
Phil.
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