Yesterday the Fedora Board made the decision not to hold an in-person FUDCon for F8. Like you, I'm a disappointed, but I'm also excited for us to try out an organized, weekend-long virtual hackfest (more below).
The Board also began planning for the F9 FUDCon, which would be held around January or February 2008. This earlier planning should give us time to resolve the kinds of problems we've faced with this short-notice FUDCon.
There's a couple of reasons for the cancellation of the Fedora 8 FUDCon.
The first is the most obvious of all -- we have been unable to secure a location that could offer us a place for both a FUDCon and a hackfest. Additionally, the administrative overhead for putting on a FUDCon is very high. Becoming a FUDCon event planner becomes a full time job for a couple of people in order to make the event happen. Especially this late, just getting the logistics for a FUDCon worked out would take up lots of people's time that we can't really afford.
Also a factor is the financial cost of a FUDCon. With the comparatively smaller scope of Fedora 8, it seems wise to save money now by not going through the whole FUDCon process, and allowing the financial and budget planners to have more opportunity to make a larger commitment to Fedora 9. Fedora 9 will be a bigger release, and I'd rather have one really good FUDCon and hackfest then, than try to do two of them on the cheap.
The feature list for Fedora 8 is coming together very well, and we're planning over the next few weeks how we can do a virtual hackfest for F8. The idea is to pick some days, probably the same weekend (4, 5 August), and organize energy around people having an IRC-based hackfest that weekend.
We can capture some of the energy that would come from a hackfest, but in a way that has significantly less overhead and organizational costs.
Part of the danger of trying to plan and discuss things in public from the very beginning is that when you're forced to pull the plug on something, you have to send out emails like this. I'm willing to accept that, because overall I think we get a bretter experience for everyone by doing our planning in the open.
Sorry, folks, for the short notice coming and going! We really appreciate your understanding, flexibility, good ideas, and patience.
--Max
Max,
Where would I find the list of suggestions for F8. I would be interested in reading what you have planned so far.
Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Spevack" mspevack@redhat.com To: fedora-devel-announce@redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:41 PM Subject: Fedora 8's FUDCon
Yesterday the Fedora Board made the decision not to hold an in-person FUDCon for F8. Like you, I'm a disappointed, but I'm also excited for us to try out an organized, weekend-long virtual hackfest (more below).
The Board also began planning for the F9 FUDCon, which would be held around January or February 2008. This earlier planning should give us time to resolve the kinds of problems we've faced with this short-notice FUDCon.
There's a couple of reasons for the cancellation of the Fedora 8 FUDCon.
The first is the most obvious of all -- we have been unable to secure a location that could offer us a place for both a FUDCon and a hackfest. Additionally, the administrative overhead for putting on a FUDCon is very high. Becoming a FUDCon event planner becomes a full time job for a couple of people in order to make the event happen. Especially this late, just getting the logistics for a FUDCon worked out would take up lots of people's time that we can't really afford.
Also a factor is the financial cost of a FUDCon. With the comparatively smaller scope of Fedora 8, it seems wise to save money now by not going through the whole FUDCon process, and allowing the financial and budget planners to have more opportunity to make a larger commitment to Fedora 9. Fedora 9 will be a bigger release, and I'd rather have one really good FUDCon and hackfest then, than try to do two of them on the cheap.
The feature list for Fedora 8 is coming together very well, and we're planning over the next few weeks how we can do a virtual hackfest for F8. The idea is to pick some days, probably the same weekend (4, 5 August), and organize energy around people having an IRC-based hackfest that weekend.
We can capture some of the energy that would come from a hackfest, but in a way that has significantly less overhead and organizational costs.
Part of the danger of trying to plan and discuss things in public from the very beginning is that when you're forced to pull the plug on something, you have to send out emails like this. I'm willing to accept that, because overall I think we get a bretter experience for everyone by doing our planning in the open.
Sorry, folks, for the short notice coming and going! We really appreciate your understanding, flexibility, good ideas, and patience.
--Max
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On Wednesday 27 June 2007 22:27:19 Scott Berry wrote:
Max,
Where would I find the list of suggestions for F8. I would be interested in reading what you have planned so far.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/FeatureList
Thanks Jesse,
That was informative.
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Jesse Keating wrote:
On Wednesday 27 June 2007 22:27:19 Scott Berry wrote:
Max,
Where would I find the list of suggestions for F8. I would be interested in reading what you have planned so far.
FYI: I've been running a single man (sofar) attempt to get internet / easy access keys to work out of the box with F-8, not sure if this counts as a feature, see: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-June/msg02236.html https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=245576
I can create a wiki page for this if you want.
Regards,
Hans
tor, 28 06 2007 kl. 11:10 +0200, skrev Hans de Goede:
Jesse Keating wrote:
On Wednesday 27 June 2007 22:27:19 Scott Berry wrote:
Max,
Where would I find the list of suggestions for F8. I would be interested in reading what you have planned so far.
FYI: I've been running a single man (sofar) attempt to get internet / easy access keys to work out of the box with F-8, not sure if this counts as a feature, see: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-June/msg02236.html https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=245576
I can create a wiki page for this if you want.
Feats of heroism would count as features.
On 28.06.2007 11:10, Hans de Goede wrote:
Jesse Keating wrote:
On Wednesday 27 June 2007 22:27:19 Scott Berry wrote:
Max,
Where would I find the list of suggestions for F8. I would be interested in reading what you have planned so far.
FYI: I've been running a single man (sofar) attempt to get internet / easy access keys to work out of the box with F-8, not sure if this counts as a feature, see: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-June/msg02236.html https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=245576
I can create a wiki page for this if you want.
/me is confused
What about those pages: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Laptop/HotKeys
And how is your project related to that effort and what Florian wrote in https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-June/msg02262.html
Just wondering.
CU thl
Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
On 28.06.2007 11:10, Hans de Goede wrote:
Jesse Keating wrote:
On Wednesday 27 June 2007 22:27:19 Scott Berry wrote:
Max,
Where would I find the list of suggestions for F8. I would be interested in reading what you have planned so far.
FYI: I've been running a single man (sofar) attempt to get internet / easy access keys to work out of the box with F-8, not sure if this counts as a feature, see: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-June/msg02236.html https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=245576
I can create a wiki page for this if you want.
/me is confused
What about those pages: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Laptop/HotKeys
I didn't know about those pages, it seems that our efforts pretty much overlaps, I do believe however that filing this under laptop is (very) wrong, as many normal keyboards also have extra keys.
And how is your project related to that effort and what Florian wrote in https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-June/msg02262.html
What Florian wrote there, can be summarized as: "I agree", we seem to both be thinking very much in the same direction.
I've send him the mail address of Stanislav Brabec in private, as he wanted to coordinate his efforts with Stanislav's .
Regards,
Hans
On 6/28/07, Hans de Goede j.w.r.degoede@hhs.nl wrote:
I didn't know about those pages, it seems that our efforts pretty much overlaps, I do believe however that filing this under laptop is (very) wrong, as many normal keyboards also have extra keys.
Then there are people like me... who use a laptop as the primary device with docks.... so i have at minimum 2 different keyboards with different special keys... so i can't just do a simple keybinding for special operations...because each keyboard uses different extra keycodes for buttons meant to do the same thing. I could definitely use some sort of abstraction layer so that I can setup up the keybindings for each keyboard once in a profile and then switch to that profile (even manually with a simple pref if the profile can't be autodetected) to avoid having to re-config keybindings indivdually by hand.
-jef"or i could just continue not using those keys as a living memorial to late 20th century technology...maybe we could even get some funding to create an accurate late 1980's technology town..like colonial Williamsburg...but smaller scale..like an office building cubicle farm with a viewing window."spaleta
Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
On 28.06.2007 11:10, Hans de Goede wrote:
Jesse Keating wrote:
On Wednesday 27 June 2007 22:27:19 Scott Berry wrote:
Max,
Where would I find the list of suggestions for F8. I would be interested in reading what you have planned so far.
FYI: I've been running a single man (sofar) attempt to get internet / easy access keys to work out of the box with F-8, not sure if this counts as a feature, see: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-June/msg02236.html https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=245576
I can create a wiki page for this if you want.
/me is confused
What about those pages: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Laptop/HotKeys
And how is your project related to that effort and what Florian wrote in https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-June/msg02262.html
Just wondering.
CU thl
On Thu, 2007-06-28 at 11:10 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
FYI: I've been running a single man (sofar) attempt to get internet / easy access keys to work out of the box with F-8, not sure if this counts as a feature, see:
You may work in isolation, but you are certainly not the only one trying to improve the keyboard situation recently. I guess it would be better to get in touch with other people who are looking at keyboard problems, otherwise you are only setting yourself up for failure and duplicate work...
Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Thu, 2007-06-28 at 11:10 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
FYI: I've been running a single man (sofar) attempt to get internet / easy access keys to work out of the box with F-8, not sure if this counts as a feature, see:
You may work in isolation, but you are certainly not the only one trying to improve the keyboard situation recently. I guess it would be better to get in touch with other people who are looking at keyboard problems, otherwise you are only setting yourself up for failure and duplicate work...
I know I'm not the only one, I've already been in contact about this with many people. See the links in my previous mail for a thorough description of what I've been working on and with whom I've talked about this.
Regards,
Hans