On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Japheth Cleaver <cleaver(a)terabithia.org> wrote:
On 1/5/2017 9:12 AM, Jonathan Wakely wrote:
> On 05/01/17 09:56 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> Teamviewer comes in an i686 only package for Fedora. So is there going
>> to be this interim approach, and then yet another change when they're
>> expected to use FlatPak? That's a lot of changes... And are these two
>> approaches compatible with the other platforms they target, or are
>> they just likely to drop the one it stops working on?
>> I can hardly imagine Teamviewer is the only 32-bit only GUI program.
> There are all sorts of proprietary programs like Skype that are only
> provided as 32-bit packages (there's a "skypeforlinux" package which
> is 64-bit but it's an "alpha" release).
> Maybe it would work fine from inside a 32-bit container, I have no
> idea, but we should be careful not to make it harder for normal users
> to install and use software distributed outside Fedora. And not make
> it harder for ISVs to provide RPMs that work on Fedora with minimal
I feel like if this happens it will hasten the day when those of us
primarily working in EL-variant land have to consider a need for a new,
EL-forward, RPM-based open source "community" OS.
Can you elaborate why you think that? Particularly the "EL-forward"
part. I don't understand how Stephen's line of thinking is not
Fedora's role of breaking all sorts of things because
moving further and further from the semblance of stability available in just
being an extrapolation of where RHEL and its derivatives end up -- does
create certain operational borders. Eventually that friction becomes
If it's containers you are talking about, then I'm even more confused.
You're aware that containers are a very important part of the Red Hat
ecosystem today, right?
The value add of any enterprise distribution is to take
$shinyNewParadigm, nurture it upstream, focus on stability and
performance of the technologies in it's own offerings, and provide
support. Not having a vibrant community project where some of this
innovation can incubate is crippling any enterprise OS's ability to
remain flexible and relevant in the market place. The days of RHEL
being _only_ the thing you use on large datacenter servers are pretty
much already gone. It is that, and much more.