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From: "Vít Ondruch" <vondruch(a)redhat.com>
To: devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 11:54:46 AM
Subject: Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?
Dne 6.12.2012 17:31, Seth Vidal napsal(a):
>
>
>
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012, Jan Zelený wrote:
>
>>
>> The original use case for SCLs is to provide a way to deliver
>> newer
>> versions
>> of SW in stable distributions like RHEL/CentOS than those
>> available
>> in the
>> core system and make sure system packages and collection packages
>> don't
>> collide in any way (names, libraries, system paths, ...).
>>
>
> right and the motivators for the above are customers/users who have
> to
> deal with their developers complaining about wanting a
> specific/newer/older/intermediate version of some language or
> another
> and its modules.
>
> they complain to their ops people, they complain to fedora/red hat.
>
>
Oh common. You offended every developer on this ML. May be you should
consider that it is not just about developers, but it is also about
their management and customers who pays their bills.
In my previous job, we were developing application for our internal
customer. During development, we were free to use any library which
suited our needs. However, in some point, our customer was satisfied
with functionality he had and he didn't want to spent any more money
on
development. Since that time, during maintenance, it was not any more
my
choice what library of what version I will use, since the system was
built and running.
Now suddenly, after several years, the provider wants to quit their
services and the application needs to be migrated. That would be
perfect
case for SC, because it would allow migration with lowest cost.
So what you would suggest? Was there any decision wrong in that
process?
Migration time is the perfect time to modernize your application. And the customer will
pay the bill no matter what - whether he will pay for the creation of the SC or for
modernizing the application. Why would you pay for maintaining some obsolete system when
you can make it work in a more supportable way? This sounds really wrong to me. If we
speak about people that are fine paying certain amount for maintaining SC every couple of
months until it becomes impossible to maintain the app and they pay even more to write new
app I would say that your definition of lowest cost is quite short sided.
Alexander Kurtakov
Red Hat Eclipse team
Vít
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