On 05/29/2012 06:13 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
> It makes no sense to have a gui application ( or an application for that
> matter ) without having written the relevant how to debug/how to test
> pages for each component to accommodate it.
Indeed. However, I'd argue *both* pieces, a karma app and good test-cases, 
are needed, and one not need block on the other.

Well we then agree on disagreeing since updating the component and running the relevant application is hardly what I call testing and requiring karma points to just do that makes absolutely no sense to me.

This whole scenario is a bit more complicated than that and me and James did discuss few ideas to solve this when he was with the project but things did not progress any further than that for various reasons including the FPC/FESCO decisions to make things optional instead of mandatory.

For security updates arguably we should be having faith in maintainers actually eating and testing their own food and use a time based limit instead of karma based as in after x many days in updates testing and no reporter has reported any problem the update gets pushed regardless of it's karma.

In any case this is something we solve in the QA community and arguably we should be the one that decide all this and FPC just implements what we have decided and tell them to.

This really does not involve Fesco and we already have a good working relationship with releng.

JBG