On Mon, 2016-11-14 at 14:30 -0800, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Josh Boyer
> If the features were developed and tested during the creation of the
> release, why would they fail criteria at the last minute?
Bit rot. That particular code is being modified, and there's no
testing on hardware affected by those changes before they get pushed
to the Fedora testing canary. This sort of relationship with an
upstream is exactly the reason why people refer to Fedora as Red Hat's
There's also an imbalance in funding Anaconda churn which is mostly
paid development, vs Fedora QA which no doubt has a much smaller
budget and to date has largely depended on unpaid contributors for
BTW, you're acting under one fundamental misconception here: the change
that broke this was in *blivet*, not anaconda. Those development teams
are now quite significantly separate.
It was also a perfectly sensible and good change which led to
substantially clearer and more testable code; it was just an
unfortunate human error that an important condition was missed in the
refactor, and the tests didn't catch it. Humans err. It happens.
There's seemingly no lack of resources for an installer
continuous development without any apparent improvement in usability
or stability or blocker bugs since Fedora 17.
This is completely false. The stability of anaconda has *greatly*
improved since Fedora 17.
I think you're also substantially overestimating the actual amount of
change that happens in anaconda (never mind the confusion with blivet).
There's quite a lot less than there used to be.
More canaries of any sort is not going to help find the source of
problem and the solution. What's needed are people who can do the
proper kind of reporting, and there simply aren't enough of those to
keep up with all of OUR weird changes and code churn.
I think before you keep up this line of argument you should provide
some concrete examples of the 'weird changes' and 'code churn' you are
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