On 17 November 2016 at 09:08, Bastien Nocera <bnocera(a)redhat.com> wrote:
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> On 11 November 2016 at 03:20, Andreas Tunek <andreas.tunek(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > As a mac owner (although one that is not very well supported by
> > Linux*) I really appreciate the fact that Fedora works. And saying you
> > do not want to support that hardware anymore just because you found a
> > regression/bug is kind of lame.
> You are reading that wrong. The problem isn't that we don't want to
> support Mac hardware, we are finding we can't support Mac hardware to
> the level that it blocks a release because there are not enough people
> testing the hardware in a fashion that finds blocker level bugs.
> This is where you and other Mac users can and MUST help out. Fedora is
> a stone soup. Unless people bring some amount of work to the pot, what
> they get out is water flavoured gravel. You can bring the spice and
> aroma of a Mac hardware.. but if you don't then it doesn't mean that
> we can wait until someone else does.
That's an unfair characterisation of the problem. There are certainly plenty
of people testing out Fedora on Macs. I'm guessing most of those folks have
a single machine that they use Fedora on. You're asking them to do continuous
testing of the installer, which the installer team is much more likely to be
able to do.
No I am not asking for continuous testing. I am asking that if people
really care about the hardware support they get in the muck and do
just a little of the work in an organized fashion. Put together a Mac
SIG that focuses on getting the best experience on the hardware. Send
some QA people newer Macs. Otherwise how do people know that it is
really important to you versus "I have 4 minutes on the internet so I
can send a complaint email" important. Because at this point that is
all this looks like.
For example, in the past 4 years the ARM builders have been nothing
but a pain in the ass, but they are kept going because there are
people who banded together and do a lot of the work. Yes there are the
various people who show up and expect XYZ board to be magically
supported but there are still a lot of people who show up, test the
bugs on what they find important to them and those boards get covered.
If the Mac is important enough, pick a couple of models which are what
you are going to focus on and season the pot.
Stephen J Smoogen.