Rudolf Kastl escreveu:
(...)

  
Think about it once again - I can't make my DVD player, nor my portable
MP3 player, nor my car MP3 player (and so on...) to play Ogg Vorbis. In
the same time I CAN make my Fedora to play and even encode MP3, WMA and
other formats.
    

When i buy hardware i make sure that it does what i want. if it
doesent i wont spend money on it. we can play through the "chicken and
egg" problem over and over.. The only starting point i see is if users
explicitely demand support for superior formats of those embedded
devices you talk about or not buy it at all while letting the industry
know, because then theres a business case... .


  
When I buy "hardware" (like DVD players, music players, screens, TVs and other commodity stuff, I look for avaiability and price. A chinese MP3 player costs about 50 bucks (US$) in Brazil, but if I want a player that plays ogg and other formats it will cost much more. I'll have to look for it (spend my time). It will be virtually impossible to find a theora decoding video player (DVD). I'll have to trust that it will have maintenance (replaceable bateries for instance) and so on, so forth... To give you an idea, an iPod Nano is sold, in Brazil, at R$1149,00 (US$638).

(...)
  

Thats what i see completly different... you state above that its a
"marketing issue" you arent completly wrong with that in my eyes...
marketing in this case does nothing but educate the user in a wrong
way though...

  
Unfortunatelly we live in a real world. In  a real world, a program can cost $0,99 if sells millions of copies or $1.000 if one or two is the case... Besides, I don't think  consumers are stupid or uneducated. They just want confort.  Industry supplies them with both confort and reasonable prices (sometimes not). But if addopting OGG is the case, them converters must be easily avaiable. GPL players must be easily avaiable and not only for Linux (most people - I mean 99,99%) uses M$. So someone must supply - at reasonable prices and confort - players, codecs and converters. Finally, music and video are, generally, intelectual property of someone and the form of encoding does not relly on wishfull thinking of programmers that want to educate the world. And as you are so carefull about "intelectual rights", many times, if the author does not release its work under "Creative Commons" or a similar license scheme, you cannot just convert from MP3 to OGG or from MP4 or WMV to AVI without explicit consent and rights payment and the assurance that the sound and video won't be altered by the conversion process. It is not an easy issue.

Again i see parallels to politics... where the Marketing people (of
the industry) and the Politicians try to tell us that we exist to
"serve them" instead of vice versa most of above mentioned can really
be happy that most people dont know better.

The question there in my eyes is rhetorical: "Who is the customer?" or
rather "Where do you (as producer) get your money from in the end?".
  

I agree, so we must start to demand that our preferred artists unsign from record companies and start to issue their works under Creative Commons and that their work must be supplied using free sites like SoundClick, PureVolume, 15megsoffame in both MP3 and OGG formats... In my point of view, its an easy way of gettin killed or sent an institution for the mentally disabled...

Change does only happen with enough demand... so lets start demanding :)

regards,
Rudolf Kastl

  
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