On 10/04/2013 03:44 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
Now, what was really intended by that statement that you quoted above
(and I acknowledge I'm putting words in people's mouths a bit) is that
Red Hat *may* flex its muscles a bit if the community were to do
something extremely unlikely that would be in direct opposition to the
needs of Red Hat. And when I say "extreme", I'm talking in the
neighborhood of "Fedora should drop the ix86 line and focus only on
embedded ARM" or "Fedora should give up producing an OS entirely and
become a package repository for CentOS".

You are absolutely *not* going to see Red Hat micromanaging the
creation of a Fedora-to-Red-Hat-specification because that would
actively *degrade* the value of Fedora to Red Hat. Fedora is not just
a testbed for RHEL, it's a proving ground for technologies, and those
may eventually get included RHEL *from any source*, not just Red Hat.

Oh please cut the crap and stop beating that dead parrot [1] this is anything but *may*.

What became clear on that meeting is that Red Hat with FESCO as it's enforcer was taking the necessary precautionary steps to ensure the community would never even have the slightest chance and the freedom to venture off it's beaten path.

It was an action and decisions based on distrust rather than openness with Red Hat *already* tightening it's muscle on it's community leash.

And that three product proposal is nothing more then Red Hat micromanaging the creation of Fedora products through the false notion of the community being part of that through the working groups .

We already have an existing cloud community and SIG which is perfectly capable of delivering product(s).

We already have an existing Server community and SIG perfectly capable to deliver several products.

We already have several *DE which could have had the equal opportunity of engaging in a specific "Workstation SIG" but as we all know the decision has already been made within Red Hat to s/default desktop/Fedora workstation/" which is probably what this whole shenanigan is about in the first place some marketing and documentation stunt while migrating the default desktop to workstation product status.

It's an outright disgusting and disgraceful corporate behavior towards the community what Red Hat has done here and one can just image all the ideas that have started to spring alive in the community which Red Hat has killed in birth so it would not interfere with it's corporate vision or disrupt it's internal processes and workflows.
 
JBG


1. http://www.davidpbrown.co.uk/jokes/monty-python-parrot.html