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twinkle: Intent to retire
by Kevin Fenzi 12 Aug '13

12 Aug '13

Greetings. I'm the current Fedora maintainer of the twinkle package. Sadly, it's in poor shape: - Segfaults on start in recent fedora versions (depending on config). - Has not had an upstream release in 4+ years. - Has not had any response from upstream maintainer in at least that long. - Uses Qt3 and a complex stack of c++ libraries. - 8 open bugs: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/twinkle/bugs/all Debian removed it last year, Arch moved it to a user repo instead of the main repo last year. So, I am going to retire this package in rawhide soon unless there's folks with a very strong C++ background wishing to fix issues and basically become the new upstream. kevin

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Orphaning Docky
by Lukas Zapletal 01 Aug '13

01 Aug '13

Hello all, although package Docky was lot of work for me (licensing patching etc) I am no longer using it and last two releases were very unstable. There are couple of bugzillas reported mainly because of gconf migration. """ Docky is an advanced shortcut bar that sits at the edges of your screen. It provides easy access to some of the files, folders and applications on your computer, displays which applications are currently running, holds windows in their minimized state and more. Docky is written in mono. http://wiki.go-docky.com """ Please ping me if you are interested to maintain the package. -- Later, Lukas "lzap" Zapletal #katello #systemengine

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Plan to drop php-pecl-apc from Fedora - Urgent review needed
by Remi Collet 20 Jul '13

20 Jul '13

Hi, PHP opcode cache is a very important feature for sites with large traffic. APC is mostly a dead project. No stable release for php 5.4, lot of issues. Upstream move most of dev resources to new "Zend OPcache" which will be the official opcode cache, integrated in PHP 5.5.0 To be able to drop this package, we need 1/ php-pecl-zendopcache, the Zend OPcache for php 5.3 / 5.4 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=911111 Target version is EPEL-6 and Fedora <= 18 as Fedora >= 19 already have php-opcache (subpackage of main php, same code) 2/ php-pecl-apcu, APCu, the drop-in replacement of APC for user data cache. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=928196 Target versions : Fedora >= 18 and EPEL-6 Please, review this. Remi.

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Re: [Fedora-spins] Where are the remaining F19 spins?
by Dennis Gilmore 25 Jun '13

25 Jun '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 12 May 2013 17:56:20 +0200 Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > back in April we discussed the F19 spins and it was widely agreed > that http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/19/Spins is the canonical > list of approved spins that need to be produced. However this doesn't > seem to be the case, I only see the desktop spins. In fact, that is > not even true given that I cannot find MATE either. > > What does the spins SIG need to do in order to get the remaining > spins? We have for the last few releases composed the 5 main desktop spins Gnome, KDE, LXDE, XFCE and SoaS for Alpha and Beta and in theory nightlies have been used for QA. before making the 5 we only made KDE and Gnome. QA has not been really happening as is evidenced by spins regularly failing to compose, and being shipped DOA, as in the design-Suite in F18 and Games being dropped for failing to compose. I personally fixed a bunch of spins in F17. For Fedora 19 I'm planning to only compose those 5 for GA also and I will only be shipping them if they have been tested and signed off by at least 3 people as working. This is due to Spins having been shipped broken in the past. I think we need to stop pretending there is a spins SIG as its not been functional or working for a few years. Perhaps the question we really need to ask is how should we deploy and install Fedora, Which is not something we can change or solve for f19 or probably even f20. An idea that comes to mind is to have package selections and post install config tasks ship as kickstart snippets with the DVD. we then use grub/syslinux to present a menu to the users to have different frameworks that resemble the spins the kickstart is fed to anaconda then at boot time or anaconda gives you the option to select them. Dennis -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlGRG2kACgkQkSxm47BaWfervQCfcXLPBL3ucCxdOdFnYqE52iZP Q4YAoIESAgq60oY1xph75EdK3A9fcxzR =3O/u -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Soname bump libpng (rawhide) - new libraries libpng.16.so and libpng16.so.16.2.0
by Petr Hracek 17 Jun '13

17 Jun '13

Hi folks, in order that BZ (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=963113) libpng library was bumped. koji build: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=5391511 $> rpm -qpl /var/lib/mock/fedora-rawhide-x86_64/result/libpng-devel-1.6.2-1.fc20.x86_64.rpm /usr/bin/libpng-config /usr/bin/libpng16-config /usr/include/libpng16 /usr/include/libpng16/png.h /usr/include/libpng16/pngconf.h /usr/include/libpng16/pnglibconf.h /usr/include/png.h /usr/include/pngconf.h /usr/include/pnglibconf.h /usr/lib64/libpng.so /usr/lib64/libpng16.so /usr/lib64/pkgconfig/libpng.pc /usr/lib64/pkgconfig/libpng16.pc /usr/share/man/man3/libpng.3.gz /usr/share/man/man3/libpngpf.3.gz $> rpm -qpl /var/lib/mock/fedora-rawhide-x86_64/result/libpng-1.6.2-1.fc20.x86_64.rpm /usr/lib64/libpng16.so.16 /usr/lib64/libpng16.so.16.2.0 /$> Please rebuild your packages with new libpng library Here is the list: $> repoquery --enablerepo fedora-source --alldeps --archlist=src --whatrequires libpng-devel 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vigra-0:1.8.0-6.fc18.src vtk-0:5.10.0-3.fc18.src warmux-0:11.04.1-5.fc18.src warzone2100-0:3.1-0.10.rc3.fc18.src webkitgtk3-0:1.10.1-1.fc18.src wesnoth-0:1.10.5-1.fc18.src weston-0:1.0.0-1.fc18.src widelands-0:0-0.33.build17.fc18.src wine-0:1.5.18-1.fc18.src wormux-0:0.9.2.1-8.fc18.src wv-0:1.2.9-5.fc18.src wxGTK-0:2.8.12-5.fc18.src xaos-0:3.5-6.fc18.src xautomation-0:1.07-2.fc18.src xawtv-0:3.101-4.fc18.src xcalc-0:1.0.3-8.fc18.src xcftools-0:1.0.7-6.fc18.src xemacs-0:21.5.32-1.fc18.src xfig-0:3.2.5-33.b.fc18.src xine-ui-0:0.99.7-2.fc18.src xloadimage-0:4.1-12.fc18.src xmoto-0:0.5.10-3.fc18.src xorg-x11-apps-0:7.6-6.fc18.src xpaint-0:2.9.8.3-4.fc18.src xsane-0:0.998-12.fc18.src xteddy-0:2.0.1-9.fc18.src xtide-0:2.13-2.fc18.src xu4-0:1.1-0.18.20120106svn2999.fc18.src xulrunner-0:17.0.1-1.fc18.src xzgv-0:0.9.1-6.fc18.src zint-0:2.4.3-4.fc18.src zita-at1-0:0.2.3-7.fc18.src zita-rev1-0:0.2.1-6.fc18.src zvbi-0:0.2.33-14.fc18.src $> Thank you in advance -- Best regards / S pozdravem Petr 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Packaging alien, debhelper and po-debconf
by Sérgio Basto 14 Jun '13

14 Jun '13

Hi, we have 3 Review Request stalled , https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=695233 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=591190 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=591389 alien is ready , but depends on po-debconf and debhelper. Anyone interested in review and packaging debhelper and po-debconf with me ? , doing new Review Request or reviewing. Thanks, -- Sérgio M. B.

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funny 'systemd-analize time' issue
by Reartes Guillermo 06 Jun '13

06 Jun '13

Hi, i just tried to compare my F17 system with F19 pre-release and found something odd in my F17 system: # uptime 19:08:26 up 2 days, 10 min, 5 users, load average: 0.18, 0.28, 0.31 # systemd-analyze time Bootup is not yet finished. Please try again later. A very funny message. :-) What does count for systemd/systemd-analize as 'booted''? Obviously some sort of flag is not being set or something similar, because the system is fully operational. # systemd-analyze blame | head -3 5350ms network.service 1054ms udev-settle.service 1022ms fedora-storage-init.service Nothing strange here, the system "boots" relatively quick. Thanks in advance.

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Software Management call for RFEs
by Jan Zelený 06 Jun '13

06 Jun '13

Dear Fedora community, several months ago, at the Developer conference in Brno, Software Management team received a whole bunch of proposals for new functionality in RPM and related software stack. We acknowledge the need for some changes in Software Management stack in Fedora but we don't want to make changes just by guessing what our users want. Therefore I call to you, consumers of our products (dnf, yum and rpm): what are the changes that you would like to see in the foreseeable future (say 2-3 years) and why would you like to see them (what would they help you with)? There is already a list of some RFEs on rpm.org wiki, you can use it as an inspiration, to see what RFEs we have already received: http://rpm.org/wiki/FeaturePlanning The only limitation for your requests is our manifest which defines the scope of SW management stack for the future. It is attached to this email (note that it's quite extensive but the first part should give you a good image of what is the planned scope of SW management stack). Please send your requests as replies to this email so they can be properly discussed. After your proposals are filed and discussed, all will be evaluated by our team and a roadmap with priorities will be created with those selected as doable and meaningful. Thank you in advance for your participation Jan

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Review Sugar Activities
by Danishka Navin 04 Jun '13

04 Jun '13

Hi, I need a help from some who can review packages I have been created and push them to build system. Please note that I do only work with packaging on Sugar Activities and packaged 8 activities so far. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=841239 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=842107 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=842101 Best Regards, -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/

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Fedora Hosted Usability and Developer Experience
by Miro Hrončok 04 Jun '13

04 Jun '13

Hi all, few days ago I was explaining to someone*, what the Developer Assistant [0] is. When I said something like: "...and you project is exported directly to GitHub [1] if you want", the person I was talking to interrupted me and asked an interesting question: Why our own tools prefer a proprietary service, such as GitHub, over our own infrastructure (Fedora Hosted.org)? The answer is very easy: Because developers prefer GitHub over Fedora Hosted and we want to target on the majority. That leads us to other question: Why do developers prefer GitHub over Fedora Hosted? Of course not each developer uses Fedora etc., but even many of our own projects are usually hosted on GitHub or Bitbucket - see Developer Assistant itself or Yumex as an example. Try to search Fedora on GitHub [2]. But other reason is, Fedora Hosted user/developer experience is way worse than GitHub's. Even for a registration or a small change you need to create a ticket, there is no interface for pull requests or similar things (or not that I am aware of). Browsing the projects (user friendly), whatever. I would like to change that and make Fedora Hosted infrastructure something, that can compete GitHub. Or at least provide a service that developers using Fedora would consider as a choice. What about running something as GitLab [3] or Gitorious [4] on Fedora Hosted, add continuous integration for creating repos with nightly RPMs, integrate it with FAS, brand it with Fedora graphics, add more stuff and make it cool. Simply provide a truly open alternative for developers that not only develop free software, but also are interested in freedom and openness? Than we can provide our own service, that our tools can integrate with as default. I don't except developers will leave GitHub and move to Fedora Hosted, so there is nothing wrong on supporting GitHub in our tools. But wouldn't it make more sense to promote our own services at the first place? Why support a company that makes profit and is not related to Fedora at all? Of course you can argue that Fedora's main goal is not to provide free software hosting service, but then why we offer Fedora Hosted in the first place, right? [0] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DevelopersAssistant [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DevelopersAssistant#GitHub_Integrati… [2] https://github.com/search?q=fedora [3] http://gitlab.org/ [4] http://gitorious.org/ * I haven't got time to ask for permission to publicly quote this person about this on the list, but if you are the person and want the attribution, feel free to say it :) -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800

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